Colbert: Stop ignoring gun violence (new definition of insanity)

Absolutely. Or we could just cut some of the 50% of the budget dedicated to the military industrial complex to use domestically.

 

state law can ban that. why don't you tell me where in the constitution the federal government was INTENDED to be delegated such power.

 

If you want to hire thousands of psychologists, you gotta pay for it.

 

What you propose is a system ripe for abuse by physicians who care to engage in political activism rather than providing proper mental health care to those that seek out their services. Such a system would only further discourage those in need from seeking the help that they need, as it would further stigmatize mental illness, and increase the amount of distrust a mental health care provider must already face. Your proposal would do no good if people simply stop seeking out help.

 

And if the firearm is reported stolen, then what occurs? If they sold it illegally and reported it as stolen by a prospective buyer, ultimately what action is taken?

Easily bypassed by claiming it was stolen by a prospective buyer who wished to examine it prior to committing to the purchase, which would require unsecuring it for such purposes.

In many states, absolutely no license is needed for firearms ownership. What is your proposal in those states?

What is or is not wanted, is of no relevance to the discussion. What is of relevance, however, is that many people continue proposing non-solutions as if they are the most worthwhile endeavor that could be imagined.

I have made absolutely no claims regarding an intelligence quotient. My career of choice is not contingent upon my being able to violate various laws in order to accomplish necessary goals. If I am capable of understanding the shortcomings of what you and others propose so readily, and point them out for consideration, then the true criminals are just as capable, if not even more so, of doing exactly the same thing. They will continue to find ways to acquire and supply firearms, following the standard of supply and demand, and there will be no legal remedy by which they can be prosecuted.

 

The buyer doesn't get the registration papers and is at risk for penalty if he is caught with the weapon. If the dealer suffers from multiple thefts, he's demonstrated he's not responsible enough to deal in guns and loses his license to sell them.

And of course if it is found out the dealer sold the guy and lied on his federal papers, he's committed a felony.

We don't want folks selling guns to bad guys.

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See above.

Make license required.

I'm assuming its obvious we don't want people to sell guns to criminals.

I've addressed them so easily. Nothing will completely prevent every criminal from getting a gun. But we can make it harder and more expensive for them to do so.

 

In other words your recommendation for a solution is implement even more government paperwork than the united states already has, with standards that cannot be enforced, and simply will not be enforced. You speak as if problems of crime can simply be legislated and regulated into submission if enough forms are required to be filled out.

 

Who said anything about hiring psychologists? Make the ability to flag individuals available to existing mental health professionals.

 

Mental health professionals who a use the system face criminal charges and are stripped of their license.

That's the checks and balances of the system. To suggest that it wouldn't work is only another attempt to nay say any and all attempts to curb gun violence.

 

No.

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And under your proposed system, how exactly would anyone go about challenging the ruling of a mental health professional, much less emerge victorious in a court of law? Patients are not allowed to see their own medical files, and the notes contained within. They will be given no notice of what they have been accused of, and be rendered incapable of facing and cross-examining their accusers.

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Then prove how your proposal does not amount to the implementation of more government paperwork than what is already in existence.

 

How has this turd of a thread gone this far? It boggles the mind.

 

And yet the NRA has been lobbying for not only paediatricians but mental health professionals to be gagged from asking about guns

 

That's because owning a gun is not the issue, being violent or insane (or both) is.

 

Anti-gun folks have been struggling for years to get a way to create a database of gun owners, doing it through doctors and mental health professionals was just another avenue for this type of data collection, Thank god the NRA and many other groups saw through the BS. The real problem is the lack of availability of mental health care professionals....that's not a problem for the NRA, that's a problem for the anti-gun crowd to solve. Maybe all those rich Hollywood types could start an enormous fund to pay for people who are interested in getting degrees in the mental health field....Start a MHA to get to the root problems.
Maybe BB could get the ball rolling.

 

What about the combination - is that not more of an issue?? How can you effectively assess a person's risk to the public unless you know what access to firepower they have

 

Caution conspiracy theory ahead!

 

No. Innocent until proven guilty is. It's irrelevant that someone who is violently insane has guns or not, because even if they don't they'll eventually end up hurting someone with something.

One of the reasons we are heavily armed is because our system is not good at identifying either. By and large, most governments are inept and so is ours.

For someone who says they don't own guns, you seem more obsessed with them than any gun owner. Better stop looking at all those pictures of guns it might make you hurt someone.

 

Then our overall rate of mass killing should have either remained the same or gone up - it didn't Oh! People have CLAIMED there have been multiple mass murders in Australia usually by counting in forest fires but I cannot see that there is the same intent to kill in the two scenarios

Cartoons are the same as pictures??? Lol!

 

If you're talking about the nurse that set fire to the old persons home, then yeah that was mass murder not a "forest fire".

You have had about ten mass killings in the years after Port Arthur so bleat all you want. Getting rid of your guns has only had the effect of making you more vulnerable, it does not protect you from evil people.

And yes, a cartoon is a picture.

 

Warning, anti-gun nutter post ahead.

Americans all over have been asked personal questions not relating to their health concerns by Barry care. No conspiracy here. LOL

 

Because it is not relevant to a routine medical checkup. Especially not when the American Academy of Pediatrics was instructing healthcare physicians to urge patients to get rid of their firearms.

https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-...cepreventionpolicyrecommendations_jan2013.pdf

It is not the job of physicians to be inquiring to patients about firearms for the purpose of lecturing them on what they are told amounts to reasonable regulations and solution. That is not their role, nor should they be encouraged to engage in such endeavors.

 

Are you serious? I don't know if your exposing more of your own ignorance here or you are being willfully dishonest if you believe a patient can't see their own mental health or health records you really have no idea hoe the current system even works.

 

It depends. Mental health notes are a different beast, and can vary on the state.

Excerpt from below link:

The privacy rule gives rights to health professionals, as well as to their patients. Under the new law, psychologists can decide whether to release their psychotherapy notes to patients, unless patients would have access to their psychotherapy notes under state law (see the article about HIPAA and state laws in last month's Monitor). Though the privacy rule does afford patients the right to access and inspect their health records, psychotherapy notes are treated differently: Patients do not have the right to obtain a copy of these under HIPAA. And when a psychologist denies a patient access to these notes, the denial isn't subject to a review process, as it is with other records.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/hipaa.aspx

 

If a person is a genuine risk to himself or others, it doesn't matter what sort of "firepower" he has.