Corrupt Australian Government Sells Innocent Schapelle Corby For Political Expediency

You really need to learn about basic legal principles.

 

Boohoo and you need to learn how to post in a forum. Your welcome to elaborate on your point.

 

Already have. Which is why I am stating some posters here appear to have comprehension problems. I dont think that I should have to repeat my posts time after time in a single thread. Its behoven on yourself before commenting to ascertain from this thread the facts of this debate. In this case you are attempting to argue a point which has already been shown to be erroneous.

 

If you dont want to add to the discussion then dont post? Assuming you've addressed something when its still being discussed is an opportunity to add something more or clarify your prior statements. No-one is convinced post like that mean anything more then ego, so no need to apply your diagnostic skills on other posters cause no-one cares what you think about them.

 

Comprehension problem still there I see. There is no need to clarify anything as I have not relied on nutjob blog sites, emotional rhetoric or half baked absurd theories for my statements but instead on easily obtainable factual information and unlike other psoters in this thread included links . I suggest you start at the beginning of the thread, get back to me when you have read through it.

 

What are you talking about!!! Perhaps you've fallen for your own 'comprehension problem' you throw at others. Let me remind you that you said I needed to learn some basic legal principles and I asked you to elaborate. Then you start on how you've already posted it and how its factual with links and not from blogs.... I think you've mixed me up with the other aspects of this discussion.... comprehend much?

 

Ok, heres what you stated

You are confusing the fact of Corbys posession of the drugs which was one point of the prosecutions case with the legal principle of being innocent until being proven guilty. She was in possession of the drugs, its up to her defence to offer evidence as to how they were in her possession without her knowledge. The fact of her possession of the drugs didnt prove her guilt or innocence in itself. If the prosecution only offered this as evidence then Corby would have walked straight away.
Heres how the presumption of innocence actually works in practise

there has been substantial criticism of the Indonesion legal system because it is different to the British law model which we in Australia inherited, however the outcomes in practise are not much different. Tim Linbdsay is an expert in Indonesion and Australian law, here is his view. Note the last paragraph.

 

Thanks ian, but we disagree on the aspect of possession. It wasnt carry on luggage...it was transported into the country on the aircraft as handled by airline and airport staff. In actuality she was holding it, but she also just picked it up from the airline at the same facility she was picked up at.

 

Makedde posted recently about going shopping and someone slipping something into your bag...if you leave the store without paying, you are
guilty of shoplifting.....

Lets take it a step further...if you go shopping
and you leave your shopping bag in say a staff amenities room, where
there are several staff coming and going...you then collect your bag
and proceed to leave the store, knowing you didnt buy anything, so
you dont have to go to the checkout...are you guilty of shoplifting if there
is something unpaid for in your bag.....
...hhhmm...beyond reasonable doubt....I doubt it...this is the difference in the Corby case.......where other people may/may not have handled the baggage...there has been a physical break in the possession of the baggage...

The debate will always rage...different court/different country/ maybe a different decision.....

 

It was up to her defence to mount a sufficiently credible theory as to why the drugs could have been planted in her bag by someone else. They couldnt.
I also have trouble coming up with a sufficiently credible reason for someone to plant 4 kgs of ganja in her boogie board bag.

 

Good point Ian, I didn't realise you were on Schapell's side and yes you are right, they haven't proved she was a smuggler so the most she could be charged for is carelessness

 

Personally I wait until the sun goes down to start drinking. But thats up to you.

 

Hmmm well I don't drink, maybe a rum and coke once or twice a year but other then that, just coffee

 

At least alcohol would give you an excuse. Oh well.

 

She tried to make money out of people's misery by importing drugs into Indonesia. How disgusting!

My sympathy for her is zilch!

 

She tried to make money? How, when the marijuana was worth a lot more if sold in Australia than if it was sold in Indonesia?

 

I can't come up with a reason as to why someone, who had traveled to Indonesia many times before, who knew the laws, would carry around a heavy bag of marijuana with a massive slit in the bag, making it obvious to anyone who could smell it what was in there.

You would think she would have been more careful, instead, it was either like she wanted to be caught - or someone else wanted her to be caught.

 

well she aint the sharpest tool in the shed......

 

This is the whole point. To use interstate travellers to "mule" drugs between cities makes sense, to take it to Indonesia would be ridiculous, if it was the other way it might carry some weight.

But it's easier to parrot the other prejudiced beliefs when you're blind with ignorance.

Drug addiction is a disease, we should legalise it, then it would be in the hands of medical professionals, not criminals

 

And what makes you say this?

 

well if we start at the most recent thing...mobile phone in jail.....

 

That doesn't mean she isn't smart.

 

I agree with this. They could also raise revenue through taxation. The only risk is overuse within the society like in HongKong in the times around the Boxer Rebellion - but now with things like road side testing kits it wouldnt be hard for it to be managed in the same way as alcohol use is within the community. Drug use is not bad, drug abuse is self abuse, drug dealing is just illegal trade, and the problem of drug addict criminality is caused by the governments pretending it will go away if they keep punishing people and building a stigma about it.

 

well we will go for the dumbest thing then...she got caught with the drugs....

 

Have you ever been caught with something you shouldn't have? Does that mean you are stupid?