Did Hillary Clinton break laws?

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  1. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Well the fact is, she was never charged with a crime. The fact that you think she committed one isn't relevant. Those are the facts. I fail to see what I missed.
     
  2. AZBob

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    You actually got something right. She wasn’t charged, and that’s why we had this debate. My opinion is just my opinion, Who would of thunk it.
    Fact is we’re on a debate forum, and I made a better case than you did. Don’t be mad about it, learn from this exchange.
     
  3. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Wait
    She wasn't charged and you base your argument on a case that, while similar, is completely different and you think you won AND think you have better debating skills.
    That is LOL funny.
     
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    Wow, how obtuse are you? Someone was charged for doing exactly what Clinton did, was prosecuted, and found to have no criminal intent. Clinton wasn’t prosecuted for doing exactly as that Naval reservist, because Comey said it would be hard to prove criminal intent. Those are the facts. I’m sorry you don’t comprehend something so simple.
     
  5. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    No, you failed on the point that did NOT do the EXACT same thing.
     
  6. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The whole episode was a sham. She clearly broke the law. To claim it was not intentional is absolutely ridiculous. She knew the server was in her closet and only an idiot would not know that it was not designed for handling classified information . She was let off because she was Hilary Clinton. Any other peon would be in prison.
     
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    So Clinton didn’t mishandle classified material?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Supporting and Arming Al Qaeda and other Islamist extremists of the same ilk in Syria - prior to Obama changing the law - not only broke the law but was an act of treason.

    She then committed perjury before congress (the Benghazi hearings) by lying about the above when questioned by Rand Paul.

    "Lock Her Up" ! :)
     
  9. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Not intentionally......apparently.
     
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    Swing and a miss, ignorance is no excuse under the law.
     
  11. EyesWideOpen

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    At this point I have to wonder if you truly are ignorant of what laws she broke, or if we have already informed you, and others like you, dozens of times and you simply choose to feign ignorance. I think i'm going to go with the later of the two.

    While she was SECSTATE, Hilary, by exclusively using only her own personal email domain server to send and receive emails, to allow emails to be stored on unauthorized servers, possessed by unauthorized individuals, and by destroying and unsuccessfully attempting to destroy those emails, she violated many federal laws, Presidential E.O.s and rules.

    Hilary herself, even sent out State Department memos saying "avoid conducting official Department from your personal e-mail accounts” and employees should not “auto-forward Department email to personal email accounts which is prohibited by Department policy.”

    Even President Obama sent of Presidential directives to not use personal email accounts. "Very specific guidance has been given to agencies all across the government, which is specifically that employees in the Obama administration should use their official e-mail accounts when they're conducting official government business," Earnest said. "However, when there are situations where personal email accounts are used, it is important for those records to be preserved, consistent with the Federal Records Act."

    44 U.S. Code § 3101 - The head of each Federal agency shall make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency and designed to furnish the information necessary to protect the legal and financial rights of the Government and of persons directly affected by the agency’s activities.

    5 FAM [Foreign Affairs Manual] 443.1 - (b) If emails and attachments are made or received in connection with the transaction of public business, they are federal records.

    5 FAM 443.1 - (c) Federal records must be preserved as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the U.S. Government. Federal records are the property of the Department, not the individual employee. Employees may not remove federal records from State Department custody

    18 U.S. Code & 793 (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.


    Meanwhile, all you have is your politically partisan bias against Trump, and your speculation about some law you suspect Trump could have, might have, or you think he is capable of violating.
     
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    Which doesn't matter see 18 USC 793(f).
     
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    Trump has cleaned out the majority of the senior staff at both the FBI and DOJ.

    Did you not read the IG report ?
    The next one is going to be even more revealing.
     
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    The rumor is that the mueller witch hunt has been blocking info / running interference on witnesses that Huber and IG Horowitz need to complete their tasks.
     
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    How could it possibly be unintentional? She knew the server was in her closet. She must have known it was handling classified information. She lied about it.

    She said it did not handle classified information. Lie

    She said none was classified at the time. Lie

    She said none was marked classified. Lie.
     
  16. EyesWideOpen

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    I agree, too many corrupt politicians use their power and influence in office to enrich themselves, their freinds and their families.

    however, Obama was not just transparent, he was sleazy about it.

    Netflix chief content officer Ted Sarandos celebrated Barack and Michelle Obama as “among the world’s most respected and highly-recognized public figures” and he announced a $50 million Netflix deal for the Obamas.

    Hmmm, sounds innocent enough, until we learn how Obama used his presidency to get rich. What Sarandos didn’t mention was that he and his wife have long been donors and friends to the Obamas, having raised more than a half-million dollars as bundlers for the president’s 2012 campaign. Nicole Avant, was also appointed by Obama as ambassador to the Bahamas, serving from 2009 to 2011.

    And more.... Avant’s father, Clarence, also bundled nearly $450,000 for Obama’s presidential campaigns.

    And there is more... Susan Rice, Obama’s former national security adviser and ambassador to the United Nations, was hired to Netflix’s board of directors.

    And still more.... Netflix spent millions lobbying Obama to implement net neutrality, because they were due to profit billions of dollars if he did so. In 2015 President Obama told his FCC to implement net neutrality, which greatly enriched Netflix, and now Netflix is paying Obama back.
     
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    Yes, it's the "I'm too freaking stupid" defense, the people let all Democrats get away with when they are discovered to have violated and crossed over moral, ethical or legal lines.

    How can Hilary be the smartest woman in politics on the one hand, and then on the other hand they claim she is dumb as a brick, lacking in common sense, and is completely incompetent, negligent clueless as to how to do her job????
     
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    The murder of Seth Rich and it's connection to the DNC or the Clintons. is mostly speculation. Hilary's violations of federal law regarding her unauthorized use of a personal email account while SECSTATE, those are factual, and not even arguable.
     
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    9royhobbs is employing the brilliant “My client didn’t mean too” defense.

    Judge: Your client stands accused of first degree murder, how does he plead?

    Lawyer: Your honor, my client pleads not guilty, because he didn’t mean to commit murder.

    Judge: Oh ****, in that case, this case is dismissed.
     
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    Yeah, I'm not sure why this is even a thread of a question?

    It has already VERY clearly been lined up, especially the "wiping" incident.

    What a sad attempt to obfuscate
     
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    She has not been convicted of anything, though she has acted in a manner that is suspicious. To claim she is a criminal is irresponsible and unamerican.
     
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    One thing you will notice. That Democrats never call for Justice for Seth Rich.
     
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    She broke the law. Generally that is how we define a criminal.
     

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