Do MAGAs love Trump despite or because he has autocrat rhetoric?

Chris Christie was recently a guest on State of the Union (CNN).

Jake Taper asked him the question, "Do MAGAs like Trump despite or because he has an autocrat speech?"

Not wanting to alienate his potential electorate, Christie replied that MAGAs like Trump despite his autocratic and even sometimes downright fascist drift.

I don't agree with him.

I've been a member of this forum for 10 years and my conclusion is this: the MAGA are prepared to sacrifice a lot of individual freedoms to advance their political agenda.

If Biden had said he wanted to be dictator for a day, that the MAGA were vermin or that they were poisoning the country's blood, we would be on the brink of civil war right now.

When Trump says these things about his political opponents, there's no discomfort in the crowd.

The MAGAs applaud wildly.

They love it when Trump praises Viktor Orban, Xi, Putin or Kim.

And because their hatred of anyone who doesn't think like them is normalized (and even encouraged) in Trump's speeches, they want a strong man who will launch a cabal against all those who oppose them: media, journalists, politicians.... even if it means ending American democracy.

Let me remind you that one of the Conservatives' priorities is to anger the Liberals.



Freedom is a fragile thing and it's never more than one generation away from extinction.

Ronald Reagan.

 

Republicans put little stock in WORDS. We care about ACTIONS... like when Trump gave us:

Lower inflation
Lower gas prices
Fewer Wars
No running from an enemy like Biden did in Afghanistan
Not arming terrorists like the Taliban
Less violent crime
Lower taxes
More secure borders
More secure air space
Commitments from North Korea to end nuclear weapons and ICBM testing (which have restarted under Biden)
Documented peace accords in the Middle East

You know... ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS

Although in your illustration it does sound good to anger liberals (whatever the subject, its the correct approach), challenging woke silliness, and supporting the 2d amendment

 

It would seem that the MAGA segment of the country are preparing for a more authoritarian system......under Trump. They KNOW what he is and they LIKE it. the question remains to see how far they would let him go with his authoritarianism?? and would they simply call it another name?? Ie give authoritarianism a new image.

 

His words can and will translate into actions. Words MATTER. Ill thought out action is foolish. He is too impulsive and emotional to make rational and logical decisions (actions) His current rhetoric is absolutely appalling. How can anyone want this tactless buffoon to represent this country?? He is terrible on the world stage. (and ignorant of protocol , and traditions )
He talks like a bully and his actions are bully like in nature.His actions are self serving.....w ith little regard for the people.

 

You're trying to find excuses to justify your support for a politician who wants to become an autocracy and who says so publicly.

 

Kash Patel, whom Trump wants to appoint to head the CIA, has made it clear that he wants to use the FBI and DOJ to hunt down every anti-MAGA in the country.

Shutting down liberal media, jailing journalists....

 

What "autocratic rhetoric"?

 

You guys have fantastic imaginations. And very little self awareness given the left's unrelenting efforts to silence the right including collusion with private media corporations. and the mainstream press.

 

there ya have it. Just the kind of guy that Trump would have in that position. Someone like that to execute Trumps ideology .(as well as his own) Seems that this is what the MAGA cult wants. Get rid of anyone that does not think like they do....... or conform to their ideology. One can hardly believe that this is happening in this nation. Of course the MAGA cult will deny this. ( living in some alternate reality that Trump created for them)

 

How ?

Give me an example. .

 

Looks like someone did not get the DNC memo.

Ahem, you're supposed to say "MAGA extremists." You know, people who extremely want to make America great again. Traditionally known as patriots. But I digress.

You're welcome.

 

Trump was already President once and DID things that were great. Words are just... words. Here are some FACTS. Things he actually DID... and we need more of:

Lower inflation
Lower gas prices
Fewer Wars
No running from an enemy like Biden did in Afghanistan
Not arming terrorists like the Taliban
Less violent crime
Lower taxes
More secure borders
More secure air space
Commitments from North Korea to end nuclear weapons and ICBM testing (which have restarted under Biden)
Documented peace accords in the Middle East

These are FACTS... things he DID. You say he is "impulsive" BUT YOU PRESENT NO FACTS to back that up.
You call him a "buffoon" BUT YOU PRESENT NO FACTS to back that up.
You say "his actions are bully like" BUT YOU PRESENT NO FACTS to back that up.
You say his actions are "self serving" BUT YOU PRESENT NO FACTS to back that up.
You say he has "little regard for the people" BUT YOU PRESENT NO FACTS to back that up

Your allegations are all unsubstantiated... vacuous... unproven. (That means your post is bogus BS)

 

Your propaganda is BS. Trump has NEVER said he wanted to become an autocracy. What he DID say was that he wanted to be a dictator on his first day.... just long enough to issue Executive Orders to 1.) close the border and 2.) "DRILL BABY! DRILL!"

 

Why stop at just one day?

 

Because he wants to issue TWO EXECUTIVE ORDERS on DAY ONE. That's all. TWO... 1.) close the border and 2.) "DRILL BABY! DRILL!"
YOU are making up BS to post he said anything more than that. YOUR POST IS SOLID PROPAGANDA.

 

MAGA like that autocratic rhetoric in service of their goals. It shows them that their Fuhrer will sacrifice anything and everything for them. its a test of loyalty Trump is happy to pass. I think I saw something today about Ivana Trump claiming Donald kept a copy of Hitler's speeches near his bed.

 

You sound like you are campaigning for him
What I said is observable to anyone with observation powers. When it comes to Trump, you and Iwill never agree .... so lets just agree to disagree ;_

If he granted himself dictatorship for a day.....he could do a lot to damage democracy. But don't be fooled......it would NOT be for just one day. Hopefully he is fantasizing and not being literal His words are terrific triggers .... and not for anything positive.

 

Prices were on a downward trajectory and he just jumped on the train headed in that direction.
he didn't give us anything.

it was republicans who got us in to afganistan and iraq. Also, Trump's jingoism is about on par with many other presidents. to wit:

1. Operation Inherent Resolve: This operation aimed to combat ISIS in Iraq and Syria. It began under President Barack Obama's administration but continued during Trump's presidency.
   
   
2. Operation Freedom's Sentinel: This operation involved U.S. military engagement in Afghanistan, primarily focused on counterterrorism efforts and supporting Afghan security forces. It continued the mission initiated as part of Operation Enduring Freedom.
   
   
3. Operation Resolute Support: A NATO-led mission to train, advise, and assist the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces, including during Trump's presidency.
   
   
4. Missile Strikes in Syria (April 2017 and April 201: President Trump ordered missile strikes against Syrian government targets in response to the alleged use of chemical weapons.
   
   
5. Strike on the Shayrat Airbase (April 2017): This was a targeted missile strike on a Syrian airbase in response to a chemical weapons attack.
   
   
6. Strike on the Islamic State in Afghanistan (April 2017): A Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB) bomb, also known as the "Mother of All Bombs," was dropped on an ISIS tunnel complex in Afghanistan.
   
   
7. Airstrikes in Syria (April 201: President Trump ordered airstrikes in conjunction with the United Kingdom and France against Syrian government targets in response to another alleged chemical weapons attack.
8. Killing of Qasem Soleimani (January 2020): Trump ordered an airstrike that killed Iranian General Qasem Soleimani in Baghdad, Iraq, which significantly escalated tensions between the United States and Iran.

Trump shiit canned the Afganistan government in favor of the Taliban, whom he invited to Camp David.

Trump crimped Biden's hand by negotiating by reducing forces to and indefensible small number forcing Biden with only two terrible choices, choices but for Trump, he would not have had to make and experience the chaos results thereby.

See above

hate crimes spiked under Trump.

Huge tax breaks for the super rich, crumbs for everyone else, which sent deficits soaring.

Trump permanently separated some 2000 children from their parents for a crime no greater than a misdemeanor.

A dubious, and highly subjective claim, beckons for careful objective analysis, for which you fail to provide.

If they restarted under Biden, then the 'commitments' are worth spit. Note that the peace accord negotiated by Carter still lasts to this day. A commitment that only lasts for a presidency is no commitment at all.

Sheer hyperbole. A 'peace accord' is an treaty to end fighting between warring nations. Trump secured cooperation agreements form nations that were not at war. This is low hanging fruit. Real peace agreement take years of diplomacy and those agreements were brought to him by underlings and all he did was step. sign it and take credit for it. This is classic trump, grab some low hanging fruit that doesn't take much effort and hype it to the max as 'historic'. With Trump, EVERYTHING is 'historic' the 'very best' 'no other president could do it' "only I can fix it' blah blah blah.

Actions? Trump paid lip service for an infrastructure bill, but with both houses under his thumb, couldn't get it done during his four year term. Biden got it done in the first 300 days of his administration.

 

Who cares what Trump wants? We have checks and balances built into our system of government.

 

Issuing executive orders is not the same as being a dictator.

It is provided for in the constitution.

Trump has said - and you can't deny it - that he wants to be a dictator, using the DOJ to go after his political opponents, the liberal media and all lefties that he considers vermin.

Do you agree with him?

 

Conservatives aren't concerned about rhetoric like the Illiberal Left is. The Right focuses on results and accomplishments and Trump quite simply had a very good presidency where we enjoyed rising real wages, more generous living standards, stable prices and after he had crushed the ISIS Caliphate, the most peaceful two years we have enjoyed since 9/11/01.

Over the last 3 years of Trump, real disposable income GREW by 17.1%
Over the 3 years of Bribed Joe, real disposable income FELL by 7%.

Now you might be able to fool an Illiberal with rhetoric, but a Conservative and Independents look past the rhetoric to the accomplishments and the results, and Trump's are simply superior while Bribed Joe's are a failure.

 

So, to further your political agenda, you're willing to vote for someone who openly wishes to be a dictator.

 

The problem that could arise is that Trump will alter those too. He does not like checks and balances as they prevent him from doing what HE wants. He is a one man show. and will manipulate things to get his way. He lacks boundaries, ethics , morals and standards. He perceives himself as a RULER not a leader in a democratic sense.

 

Why would the right limit themselves to such a narrow view of a candidate?? Action without sensible thought and debate can be ill founded . Only authoritarians are so action oriented as to dispose of any debate and discussion. and constructive messaging.

 

Fake News. I'm voting for RFK. You are voting for Bribed Joe who corruptly sold his office to equally corrupt foreign Oligarchs.



Over the last 3 years of Trump, real disposable income GREW by 17.1%
Over the 3 years of Bribed Joe, real disposable income FELL by 7%.