Do Muslims have "a duty to kill" anyone who insulted the Prophet Muhammad?

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Are you asking me if I am receptive to your concepts and ideas or are you asking me if I am a person who can accept you for who and what you are?

    The answer would be yes to both questions.

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    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    As to your post...I am not certain what it is you are trying to say.

    If you could explain a bit further I would appreciate it.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    OK , now I understand what you are saying!

    excuse me for my speaking! and my writing!

    I say we have 12 imam and each one order to us to be friendly with everyone!

    even if he insult to you. and it is an order in Qur'an and it is important.

    so How can we kill someone while we have such instructions.

    my last sentence is copied from Google translate!
     
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    Now I understand.

    Thank You for clearing that up.

    I know that the current Iranian population is about 70% at or under the age of 30 years old. The younger Iranian generation is computer savvy and seeks greater freedoms in their own country which I hope they are able to get such freedoms.

    Unfortunately there has been a great deal of issues between the Iranian Old Religious Guard and the United States. I hope to see this resolved soon.

    Let me ask you....what do you think the chances are that the Iranian people will be allowed greater freedoms?

    AboveAlpha
     
  5. amir110

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    I don't know what your country and TV program say to you!

    Actually, I think Iran has freedom! what do you see about Iran that you say IRAN didn't have freedom?
     
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    Well...look at what happened during the Iranian Protests a while back.

    The Iranian Secret Police where cracking down fairly hard.

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    yeah! they were hard because the protesters disaster all thing in street! For example public telephone!
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    This story reminds me of this.....
    "Muslim leaders at York Mosque invited members of the English Defence League (EDL) in "to talk over a cup of tea" after receiving agressive threats in the wake of the Woolwich attack."
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/27/edl-york-mosque-cup-of-tea-woolwich-_n_3341891.html
     
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    Total by component doesn't be discouraged
     
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    amir10...I am VERY familiar with Iran and both the history of Iran and ancient Persia.

    Now it is an unfortunate reality that the people of Iran were oppressed under the rule of the Shah.

    The Shah was backed by the United States as at the time the United States was involved in the Cold War and the Shah was given power by the U.S. to rule Iran.

    The United States made a MISTAKE in picking the Shah to be allowed to rule Iran as the Shah was in fact a murderous dictator...and there is no excuse for the United States to have turned it's head as the U.S. ignored what the Shah was doing in Iran because the U.S. was in the midst of fighting a SILENT COLD WAR.

    When Boris Yeltsin became the Russian President after the Soviet Union collapsed....Yeltsin released secret Soviet Invasion Plans to the World Media that showed the world just how close the Soviet Union came to invading the ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST to secure the OIL FIELDS.

    The United States was actively and SILENTLY fighting a WAR with the Soviet Union and because of this the people of IRAN were caught in the middle. The U.S. backed the Shah because he agreed to fight any attempt by the Soviet's to gain a FOOTHOLD into Iran as they had already done in Iraq, Egypt, Syria and of course the Soviet Union Invaded Afghanistan in December of 1979...as this was to be the FIRST STEP into the Middle East as the Soviet Invasion Plans were to first invade Afghanistan...then using two Multiple Mechanized Division Armies...invade into both Iran from Afghanistan and two Soviet Divisions were to invade from near Kandahar into Iran and travel south to the seize the Iranian cities of Bandar-Abbas and Jask which are located on the shores where is the bottle necked land masses that almost separate the Persian Gulf from the Gulf of Oman as this would allow the Soviets to prevent any Oil Tankers from leaving the Persian Gulf that might have left either Iraq, Kuwait, Oman or Eastern Saudi Arabia.

    On January 23, 1980 President Jimmy Carter announced in his State of the Union address to the American people a new policy of the United States which was to be known as the Carter Doctrine. Carter said to the World Media that..."Let our position be absolutely clear: An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force."

    This announcement was specifically directed to response to the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, and was intended to deter the Soviet Union...the U.S.' Cold War adversary...from seeking to invade the Oil producing countries in the Persian Gulf and Middle East and Iran was one of the countries the Carter Doctrine was created to protect.

    Even though the U.S. Embassy had been taken over by Iranian Students and this takeover was endorsed by the new Islamic Government of Iran...if the Soviets attempted to Invade Iran the United States Military would have been used to destroy any Soviet Military invasion of Iran....as it was determined that it was more important to defend Iran against any Soviet Invasion than any conflicting issues due to the U.S. Embassy Hostage Crisis had created.

    Now unfortunately...because the United States was playing a HIGHER STAKES GAME with the Soviet Union that very well could have resulted in World War III....the issues of the brutality of the Shah were overlooked by the U.S. Government and U.S. Military and this of course has caused a great deal of acrimony between the U.S. and Iran.

    But now...over 3 Decades later...it is important for BOTH countries to move forward to create a constructive and beneficial relationship for both the U.S. and Iran.

    This new beneficial relationship will ONLY HAPPEN....if Iran agrees to uphold it's agreements and honor the NPT...Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that Iran signed and agreed to the NPT's terms.

    Once this is done...and given that over 70% of ALL IRANIANS are 30 years old or younger....I see the possibility of a very close and beneficial relationship between the two countries.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Iran DO NOT WANT TO MAKE NUCLEAR WEAPON!
    Do you have any document to show that Iran want to make nuclear weapon?

    I am surprised for your information about Iran history!
     
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    If they didn't want to make a nuclear weapon they wouldn't be investing all that time and money in those centrifuges.
    If they didn't want to make a nuclear weapon they would open their territory to US and UN Nuclear inspectors and give them free access to anything they might want to check out.
     
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    WE WANT ENERGY! NO WEAPON! NO FIGHT! NO KILL!

    If one day a person say to USA to show your territory , will they show it?

    of course no! it is an important thing for security of country!

    you say Iran want to have nuclear weapon SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE DOCUMENT! SHOW IT!
     
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    Amir...please understand I am not in any way attempting to make this personal.

    Nor am I posting my position or opinion about this subject.

    I am posting the REALITIES about this subject specific to Nuclear Energy and Nuclear Weapons Development and how Iran broke the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....as these things are FACTS.

    It does not matter what you or I think about this as I am simply stating a FACT.

    Iran could not develop Nuclear Power and Iran could not develop Nuclear Reactors nor did Iran have the necessary Uranium or Plutonium to be used as fuel.

    It signed the NPT....Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty...and by doing so Iran agreed not to build Nuclear Weapons. Iran also agreed not to build any secret Nuclear Facilities and Iran agreed not to enrich Uranium to Weapons Grade Levels or enrich Uranium in SECRET.

    Iran DID all these things it agreed by TREATY not to do.

    Because of this....unless Iran holds up it's agreements and once again allows International Atomic Energy Inspectors back in to Iran and allows the IAE Cameras to once again be recording all activity at Iranian Nuclear Sites...the United States will not talk with Iran.

    This is not MY POSITION....it is the position and policy of the United States Government and Military.

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    Do me a favor Amir....since I enjoy having conversations with people from all over the world...and since I have been to a great number of different countries and places in the world...and this includes....the Middle East and what was once Ancient Persia....try to understand that when I am posting I am talking about facts and realities.

    Now if there is something I might post you don't agree with then by all means tell me and post what it is you believe.

    But please do not get angry as THIS IS NOT PERSONAL. I would much like to enjoy have many conversations with you and I want you to understand that I will....NEVER....post about things that you might think are posts driven by a certain ideology.

    I only POST FACTS....and as far as what I have posted about Iran....as I posted Iran has ADMITTED....to having built two secret nuclear sites UNDERGROUND....which were found by U.S. Military Satellite Data as the U.S. Space Command has Satellites with GROUND PENETRATING RADAR....which can see DEEP UNDERGROUND or all the way to the OCEAN FLOOR AND BENEATH...so we KNOW that Iran had developed these underground Nuclear Bases which when this data was given to the IAE Agency....International Atomic Energy Agency...Iran ADMITTED it had built these underground facilities and since the U.S. Satellite Technology is capable of detecting Neutron Radiation caused by Uranium or Plutonium Neutron Decay...Iran had little choice but to admit it had broken the NPT...or Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

    So...let's just enjoy each others company and have a good debate and discussion...OK?

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I know you think you're going to say the truth! And I'm also consider myself straight and tell the truth!

    Someone claims something that should be reason enough to prove it.

    When you're claiming that Iran is building a nuclear weapon or something to show you right now.

    If you have read the Koran, you will surely notice that Islam elegance!

    Iran is an Islamic country now! Islamic law, it now!

    Iran is not seeking War! Sure it!
     
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    Amir...of course Iran does not desire a war....ESPECIALLY with the United States as not only is there no current reason to do this but to do so would be suicide for the Iranian Regime.

    In November 2011, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors criticized Iran after an IAEA report concluded that before 2003 Iran likely had undertaken research and experiments geared to developing a nuclear weapons capability.[9] The IAEA report details allegations that Iran conducted studies related to nuclear weapons design, including detonator development, the multiple-point initiation of high explosives, and experiments involving nuclear payload integration into a missile delivery vehicle

    On 14 August 2002, Alireza Jafarzadeh, a spokesman for an Iranian dissident group National Council of Resistance of Iran, publicly revealed the existence of two nuclear sites under construction: a uranium enrichment facility in Natanz (part of which is underground), and a heavy water facility in Arak. It has been strongly suggested that intelligence agencies already knew about these facilities but the reports had been classified.[83]
    The IAEA immediately sought access to these facilities and further information and co-operation from Iran regarding its nuclear program.[84] According to arrangements in force at the time for implementation of Iran's safeguards agreement with the IAEA

    The IAEA reported 10 November 2003,[91] that "it is clear that Iran has failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time to meet its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with respect to the reporting of nuclear material and its processing and use, as well as the declaration of facilities where such material has been processed and stored." Iran was obligated to inform the IAEA of its importation of uranium from China and subsequent use of that material in uranium conversion and enrichment activities. It was also obligated to report to the IAEA experiments with the separation of plutonium. However, the Islamic Republic reneged on its promise to permit the IAEA to carry out their inspections and suspended the Additional Protocol agreement outlined above in October 2005

    The IAEA reported 10 November 2003,[91] that "it is clear that Iran has failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time to meet its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with respect to the reporting of nuclear material and its processing and use, as well as the declaration of facilities where such material has been processed and stored." Iran was obligated to inform the IAEA of its importation of uranium from China and subsequent use of that material in uranium conversion and enrichment activities. It was also obligated to report to the IAEA experiments with the separation of plutonium. However, the Islamic Republic reneged on its promise to permit the IAEA to carry out their inspections and suspended the Additional Protocol agreement outlined above in October 2005

    The IAEA has consistently stated it is unable to conclude that Iran's nuclear program is entirely peaceful. Such a conclusion would normally be drawn only for countries that have an Additional Protocol in force. Iran ceased its implementation of the Additional Protocol in 2006, and also ceased all other cooperation with the IAEA beyond what Iran acknowledges it is required to provide under its safeguards agreement, after the IAEA Board of Governors decided, in February 2006, to report Iran's safeguards non-compliance to the UN Security Council

    November 2011 Report[edit source | editbeta]
    In November 2011 the IAEA released a report[190] stating inspectors had found credible evidence that Iran had been conducting experiments aimed at designing a nuclear bomb until 2003, and that research may have continued on a smaller scale after that time.[191] IAEA Director Yukiya Amano said evidence gathered by the agency "indicates that Iran has carried out activities relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device."[192] A number of Western nuclear experts stated there was very little new in the report,[11] and that media reports had exaggerated its significance.[12] Iran charged that the report was unprofessional and unbalanced, and had been prepared with undue political influence primarily by the United States.[193]
    In November 2011, IAEA officials identified a "large explosive containment vessel" inside Parchin.[194] The IAEA later assessed that Iran has been conducting experiments to develop nuclear weapons capability.[195]
    The IAEA Board of Governors passed a resolution[196] by a vote of 32–2 that expressed "deep and increasing concern" over the possible military dimensions to Iran's nuclear program and calling it "essential" that Iran provide additional information and access to the IAEA.[9][197] The United States welcomed the resolution and said it would step up sanctions to press Iran to change course.[198] In response to the IAEA resolution, Iran threatened to reduce its cooperation with the IAEA, though Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi played down talk of withdrawal from the NPT or the IAEA.

    August 2012 report[edit source | editbeta]
    In late August, the IAEA set up an Iran Task Force to deal with inspections and other issues related to Iran's nuclear program, in an attempt to focus and streamline the IAEA's handling of Iran's nuclear program by concentrating experts and other resources into one dedicated team.[210]
    On 30 August, the IAEA released a report showing a major expansion of Iranian enrichment activities. The report said that Iran has more than doubled the number of centrifuges at the underground facility at Fordow, from 1,064 centrifuges in May to 2,140 centrifuges in August, though the number of operating centrifuges had not increased. The report said that since 2010 Iran had produced about 190 kg of 20%-enriched uranium, up from 145 kg in May. The report also noted that Iran had converted some of the 20%-enriched uranium to an oxide form and fabricated into fuel for use in research reactors, and that once this conversion and fabrication have taken place, the fuel cannot be readily enriched to weapon-grade purity.[211][212]
    The report also expressed concerns over Parchin, which the IAEA has sought to inspect for evidence of nuclear weapons development. Since the IAEA requested access, "significant ground scraping and landscaping have been undertaken over an extensive area at and around the location," five buildings had been demolished, while power lines, fences, and paved roads were removed, all of which would hamper the IAEA investigation if it were granted access.[213]
    In a briefing to the Board of Governors on this report in early September 2012, IAEA Deputy Director General Herman Nackaerts and Assistant Director General Rafael Grossi displayed satellite images for its member states which allegedly demonstrate Iranian efforts to remove incriminating evidence from its facility at Parchin, or a "nuclear clean-up." These images showed a building at Parchin covered in what appeared to be a pink tarpaulin, as well as demolition of building and removal of earth that the IAEA said would "significantly hamper" its investigation. A senior Western diplomat described the presentation as "pretty compelling." The Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) said that the purpose of the pink tarpaulin could be to hide further "clean-up work" from satellites. However, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, Iran's envoy to the IAEA, denied the contents of the presentation, saying that "merely having a photo from up there, a satellite imagery ... this is not the way the agency should do its professional job."[214]
    According to the Associated Press, the IAEA received "new and significant intelligence" by September 2012, which four diplomats confirmed was the basis for a passage in the August 2012 IAEA report that "the agency has obtained more information which further corroborates" suspicions. The intelligence reportedly indicates that Iran had advanced work on computer modeling of the performance of a nuclear warhead, work David Albright of ISIS said was "critical to the development of a nuclear weapon." The intelligence would also boost fears by the IAEA that Iran has advanced its weapons research on multiple fronts, as computer modeling is usually accompanied by physical tests of the components which would enter a nuclear weapon.[215]
    In response to this report, the IAEA Board of Governors on 13 September passed a resolution that rebuked Iran for defying UN Security Council resolutions to suspend uranium enrichment and called on Iran to allow inspections of evidence that it is pursuing weapons technology.[216] The resolution, which passed by a vote of 31–1 with 3 abstentions, also expressed "serious concerns" about Iran's nuclear program while desiring a peaceful resolution. Senior United States diplomat Robert Wood blamed Iran for "systematically demolishing" a facility at the Parchin military base, which IAEA inspectors have attempted to visit in the past, but were not granted access, saying "Iran has been taking measures that appear consistent with an effort to remove evidence of its past activities at Parchin."[217] The resolution was introduced jointly by China, France, Germany, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom

    February 2013 report[edit source | editbeta]
    On 21 February, the IAEA released a report showing continued expansion in Iranian uranium enrichment capabilities. As of 19 February, 12,699 IR-1 centrifuges have been installed at Natanz. This includes the installation of 2,255 centrifuges since the previous IAEA report in November.[223]
    Fordow, the nuclear facility near Qom, contains 16 cascades, equally divided between Unit 1 and Unit 2, with a total of 2,710 centrifuges. Iran is continuing to operate the four cascades of 174 IR-1 centrifuges each in two tandem sets to produce 19.75% LEU in a total of 696 enriching centrifuges, the same number of centrifuges enriching as was reported in November 2012.[224]
    Iran has produced approximately 280 kg of near-20% enriched uranium, an increase of 47 kg since the November 2012 IAEA report and the total 3.5% LEU production stands at 8,271 kg (compared to 7,611 kg reported during the last quarter).[223]
    The IAEA February 2013 report stated that Iran has resumed reconverting near-20% enriched uranium into Oxide form to fabricate fuel for the Tehran Research Reactor, which makes it more difficult to further enrich that uranium to weapons grade, since it would first need to be converted back to uranium hexafluoride gas.[225]
    The February report noted that Iran has continued to deny the IAEA access to the military site at Parchin. Citing evidence from satellite imagery that "Iran constructed a large explosives containment vessel in which to conduct hydrodynamic experiments". Such installation could be an indicator of nuclear weapons development. The report expresses concern that changes taking place at the Parchin military site might eliminate evidence of past nuclear activities, noting that there had been virtually no activity at that location between February 2005 and the time the IAEA requested access. Those changes include:
    Reinstatement of some of the chamber building’s features, for example wall panels and exhaust piping.
    Alterations to the roofs of the chamber building and the other large building.
    Dismantlement and reconstruction of the annex to the other large building.
    Construction of one small building at the same place where a building of similar size had previously been demolished.
    Spreading, levelling and compacting of another layer of material over a large area.
    Installation of a fence that divides the location into two areas. Most of these activities have also been documented by ISIS in satellite imagery reports, dated 29 November 2012, 12 December 2012 and 25 January 2013.[224][225]
    Iran said that the IR-40 heavy water-moderated research reactor at Arak was expected begin to operate in the first quarter of 2014. During on-site inspections of the IR-40 design, IAEA inspectors observed that the previously reported installation of cooling and moderator circuit piping was almost complete. The IAEA reports that Iran will use the TRR to test fuel for the IR-40 reactor, a reactor that the UN Security Council has demanded that Iran stop building because it could be used to produce plutonium for nuclear weapons. The IAEA report states that “on 26 November 2012, the Agency verified a prototype IR-40 natural uranium fuel assembly before its transfer to TRR for irradiation testing.”[225] Since its last visit on 17 August 2011, the Agency has not been provided with further access to the plant so is relying on satellite imagery to monitor the status of the plant

    AboveAlpha
     
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    maybe they should start with Israel?
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    Israel didn't sign the NPT therefore is permitted to have nuclear arms being a free country. Iran did sign the NPT and they need to abide by it.
     
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    under multiply gang-bang rape treat? what my tread has to with Iran´s "Nuclear program"?
     
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    Iran did not have a GUN TO IT'S HEAD when it signed the NPT.

    It is simple...if you don't have the people or technical ability to develop Nuclear Tech...and you want to buy it...you must sign the NPT FIRST.

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    litwin Well-Known Member

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    LOL. yes, Iranians even asked UN , ye´control us , control us again , we want it ...ps dont you see that never will be a war on Iran, doest matter how much you guys want it?
     
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    Iran asked...what?

    You are not being clear...please explain.

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    i was a joke. we talk about nothing , Iran and USA got new presidents ...and it will be a peaceful solution
     
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    The President is a joke in Iran the real power is in the hands of the Ayatollah.
     

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