Do You Prefer Capitalism or Socialism?

Socialism is simply fair capitalism with a good safety net like every modern country but the United States at this point. And is always Democratic. France Italy Spain scandinav Germany highland Belgium etc etc have all had socialist and communist parties at the same time. The socialists won, and the Communists disappeared with the USSR support. Only super savage capitalist UK and US have this conflation of the two terms. Works great to stop progressive all kind lol AARGH.....

 

Actually Trump's economic miracle is total baloney. Obama had more new jobs in his last three years than Trump had in his first three years. The only thing that really changed was 2.3 trillion more debt lol. And he wrecked the economy with the worst stupidest pandemic response anywhere. He made wearing masks and social distancing a political question omg.

 

Get back to us AFTER you post a COHERENT question.

 

Capitalism creates prisoner consumers AKA wage slaves!

 

You realize that that's actually normal.

 

Yes, that is our current reality but wage slavery should be abnormal.

 

If you look at history the only time a middle class exists is when there's a labor shortage, such as plague, war, etc.

 

Interesting concept.

I need to research that further.

Do you have any sources that you would recommend?

 

I got it from this. Real Time with Bill Maher: Middle Class Economics (HBO) - YouTube at 4:07

 

And just precisely which legal force or power compels people to become or remain 'wage slaves'? If you have nothing, then your argument fails.

 

LOL!

The concept of being middle class is loosely defined as being neither at the top nor at the bottom of the economic pecking order.

In Roman times a shopkeeper or a soldier were middleclass and military was a stepping stone out of poverty to join the middleclass.

During the Dark Ages the middle class was reserved for those who had a skill set that rose above that of mere labor.

What is interesting is that it was in that period of the Dark Ages that the original concept of individual rights and governing with the CONSENT of the governed came into being with the Magna Carta of 1215. Even the nobles of those period objected to being treated like serfs without rights. The ability to rise out of the lower classes was controlled by the Church and the Guilds and they were not exactly thrilled with the idea of letting go of their power over We the People. (Sound familiar?)

The Enlightenment Era AKA the Age of Reason which postulated the concept of democratic self government as opposed to the rule by monarchs and nobles was the basis for what is called our American Experiment. The desire of the middle class to be free of oppression didn't translate into NOT oppressing the Native Americans or Black Slaves.

That said there is a trajectory towards every greater understanding of what it means to be middle class in our society. We claim that everyone has equal rights and opportunities and yet the reality is that is not happening. In theory the middle class has the power to prevent the oppression but is duped into voting against their own self interests.

One of the primary threads running through all of this is shared knowledge. Ideas are difficult to stifle and authoritarian regimes have come and gone as a result. Today we have an improved means to share knowledge which could have a considerable impact on what becomes of the middle class in the future.

The Millennials and Gen Z are taking a long hard look at what it means to be burdened by debt their entire lives and REJECTING it as antithetical to their concept of their Lives, Liberty and their Pursuit of Happiness. IOW's they are not going to settle for the Status Quo.

Stay tuned for what comes next.

 

As usual your tenuous grasp of the subject matter knowledge results in a puerile strawman fallacy.

 

See this is why people like you are dangerous. The communists didn’t disappear, they changed labels and declared themselves socialists. They didn’t just disappear, Jesus Christ. They realized that communist has a bad connotation and that it’s much easier to move capitalist countries to socialist countries and THEN move them to communist than it is to go directly from capitalism to communism.

Please PLEASE for the love of god educate yourself.

 

You're right that Socialism and Communism are the same animal, but entirely wrong about who is playing for them. Progressive Leftists are about the least 'communist' of all. Your garden variety conservative christian is probably more communist.

 

Well here's your chance to educate me! Please tell me exactly which laws prevent people from choosing against wage slavery? What legal force prevents people choosing a different path?

 

So what ... they're going to REJECT mortgages to become RENT SLAVES (and pay someone else's debt)? Wow, what a win for Millennials and Gen Z. And when they're sick or old and can't work? Homelessness perhaps? But no problem right .. because they REJECTED debt related impositions on their liberties and happiness, and that's all that matters! They stood on their principal of REJECTING the hard yards because it was too icky and style cramping. I'm sure that will be all the comfort they need when they realise at age 75 they've paid other peoples' debts all their life, and have absolutely nothing to show for it - possibly not even a roof over their heads.

What will come next will be well earned - by people so spoiled that the idea of sacrificing for long term gains is anathema.

 

Regurgitating your asinine STRAWMAN just CONFIRMS that you LACK any relevant subject matter knowledge.

 

No, it's collective ownership of the means of production.

 

I have a master's in history and you are totally missinformed to buy the GOP garbage propaganda machine- the worst thing that has ever happened to our democracy. Communism is always a dictatorship and has never been put in without violent revolution and is not what anybody wants except those with a gun to their head in China Vietnam and Cuba. Wake up and change the channel.I

 

Wow, talk about having an opinion that is 180 degrees off tilter! You might want to regroup and post your correction here.

 

it is collective ownership or regulation!!!!!! of the means of production. So you know the dictionary definition and nothing else it appears. PURE socialism is communism and always a dictatorship and a total failure. Every socialist party ever in a democracy has been for always democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net and that is what they have in every modern country but our mess of a GOP country. But in English speaking countries they have to call it the Democratic party or the Labor party or God knows what. Because of garbage propaganda like everything you know.

 

No it isn't. If it were, every society would be socialist, and the term would have no meaning. Maybe that is what you intend...?

I'm just trying to get you to use words correctly so that we can communicate. You seem to want to make noises without communicating.

Nope.

When forced on a whole society. Not when it is voluntary.

<yawn>

 

How are employees you call wage slaves forced to consume a certain product in capitalism?

What are you talking about?

 

I have called NOBODY a wage slave.

I don't care if false accusations are all you have to rely on. That doesn't make it acceptable.

As for what consumer goods people have to buy through capitalism, it includes EVERYTHING you need to stay alive - food, healthcare/medicine, housing, clothing, transportation to work.

And, capitalism is also how one gets pretty much everything elsle one wants or needs, too.

What is astounding is that there are people on this web site that think we're socialist!!!