Donald Trump. The most Exonerated citizen in US History

Twice impeached, never convicted.

 

You're a dishonest poster just looking for arguments. Thats all you do.
Everyone (Including you) knows Pelosi decided she would select which Republicans could be on the committee and McCarthy said he wasn't going to allow Pelosi to decide who could and couldn't cross examine witnesses.
So McCarthy decided Republicans wouldn't support this committee and pulled out.

Knowing without cross examinations and Republican witnesses of their choosing to be called this would be labeled a sham.
Which is was as every network who aired it lost over 60% of their viewership.

You know all this but post half truths and false claims anyway.
You want to know who reaps what they sow, wait until midterms.
Then the less educated 15%ers and the leftist who just post false bs can start crying why they have no power in the House or the Senate.

 

Good, so you agree who the key witnesses are
You agree the committee is a sham
And you agree Trump is the most exonerated man in US History
Glad you're coming around.

Yet you aren't packing the gear to disprove anything in the OP.
Go figure

I have no clue what fantasy you are talking about.
But It must have hit a nerve if you think what I created myself would have such notoriety.

So go ahead and continue to make these fake post trying to cover up for the fact you can't dispute anything in the OP
Its fun watching you flop around in pretend land with your fake deflections

 

Donald Trump. The most Persecuted Exonerated citizen in US History
A "friend told him so.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/seth-...-speech-outtakes?source=entertainment&via=rss

 

It must be so helpless not able to dispute the OP so all you can do is post articles that have nothing to do with the OP
But thanks for the thread bump

 

This is a debate. If you want to debate me, then reply and offer your points of view while disagreeing with mine. I have the choice to agree or disagree with those points of view. Other than that, calling me names is not going to help you in your arguments with me nor is it going to dissuade me from debating you.

McCarthy had the choice as well as Sen McConnell, to make this into a Blue Ribbon commission. That commission would have allowed both sides to call witnesses. Or McCarthy could have agreed with the House committee on January 6th and offered representatives who were not loyal to Trump, like rep Jim Jordan for instance, who would have tried to make this committee hearing into a mockery. But alas, McCarthy and McConnell wanted no such thing. Now McCarthy is trying really, really hard, to try to change the narrative with his usual political tricks and half truths. As the January 6th committee is putting on the timeline for the Americans to see, the indendpends and a plurality of Republicans are having second thoughts on Trump. And that is a good thing. Trump is the guy who thinks what's good for him is good for America. that is not how being a President is suppose to be. Not even Reagan believed that. Just self-centered individuals who never will admit anything of consequence that it is their fautl. Unfortunately, that appliis to plenty of political party members and leaders from both parties. Rarely does a politician or party leader will admit a mistake.

 

I am not calling you names. I am pointing out what you do.
You typically deflect from the point with something that is only half truths.
I have seen your post and have answered them. If you want to debate, then do it.
If you're just looking to ruffle feathers with half truth post, you are wasting your time with me

Yeah, we all heard the mockery BS but the problem is, you can't provide a single time where Jordan was officially reprimanded by either party for his behavior in any committee, hearing, or vote. So your fake claim about being a mockery falls on deaf ears. But Pelosi has one part right. Every time he is on a committee, he does make a mockery of Democrats. And the whole world has seen it.

Pelosi didn't want him on the panel because Jordon embarrassed them in both impeachment attempts when he exposed that all 12 Democrat witnesses were testifying to what they had heard and not what they knew. Making all of them hearsay witnesses
Then he embarrassed them even further when he exposed Schiff for not providing his secret whistle blower witness that he had promised from the start.
Then he embarrassed them again when he exposed Schiff for taking testimony from Republican witnesses behind closed doors and not in public then not allowing them to testify.
Then he embarrassed them against when he demanded to see this overwhelming evidence Schiff was talking about on 12 news stations.

And NONE of it every provided. Not the evidence Schiff guaranteed, Not the whistle blower Schiff guaranteed, Not the depositions taken behind closed doors, and not a single witness that wasn't a hearsay witness.
So yeah, Jordon made a mockery of Schiff and Pelosi and we all saw it.

So Pelosi doesn't get to tell the RNC who they will and won't have on committees. And if she does, then they will pull out and let Democrats make fools of themselves just like they have done in their Soviet style hearings.
Just an FYI, only the 15%ers are buying into this. I assume you're one of them.

So I have no doubt you support such committees. I am sure you are just thrilled about how they handled everything. And I am thrilled that you are thrilled because midterms are going to be a blood bath and every Democrat in DC knows whats coming because real Americans don't support Dictatorship Soviet style committees that prove how Democrats would rule if empowered.

But I understand why you support it.

A timeline of what? Hearsay one way witnesses without one single key witness or cross examination?
Please, don't make me laugh

NOBODY is watching. NOBODY cares what Democrats do in their fake committees anymore.
You need look no further than the huge failure in viewership. You can ignore it all you want but nobody cares what Democrats and their 15%ers are doing. NOBODY

 

And it's easy being a Teflon Don while in office, which is why he MUST get back into office ASAP.

Trump Tells Team He Needs to Be President Again to Save Himself from Criminal Probes - The former president is planning on running for the White House — and away from the law [ARTICLE LINK]

 

Except there was evidence and reasonable suspicion in most of the Clinton investigations. There was even a FBI Director who asserted publicly and under oath a couple of known felonies were committed.

 

And quite likely a secret appreciator of the riots.

 

Right, A Rolling Stone article with undisclosed resources claims (X)?
Theres a reason they are undisclosed. They don't exist.
But the left will buy anything. I am convinced.

 

All I am doing is giving my arguments to your article and thesis. You can debate those points or not. It is your choice. This whole deflection of "not being honest" is really a projection by you. Nothing more, nothing less.

The other fact is that I have pointed out some very inconvenient truths from your point of view. And that is why you cannot debate me. You cannot even acknowledge what those inconvenient truths are because you feel that would weaken you as a Trump loyalist. The fact is, you do not have the intellectual capacity to do anything other than what you get fed by the talking points from Trumpverse. And that is the sad reality. You are nothing but a monkey whose hand is caught in the cookie jar and can't get the hand or the cookie out.

So, do you really want to try this again there Condor or will you continue to act like a juvenile delinquent?

For starters, one does not have to be reprimanded for a member of Congress to not be selected for any congressional committee, whether standing or selected. Furthermore, if you ever watch Jim Jordan, he usually makes a mockery of practically every committee he sits on, does not follow the required protocols established by the bipartisan group such as 48-hour notice to the committee to show a video in committee, his outrageous questions to Robert Mueller, among other things. YOu might agree with these antics politically, but legally, it rarely works and it is nothing more than theatrics to put on conservative media.

For the January 6th committee, the simple truth is that the GOP had a chance for a Blue Ribbon commission, which would allow cross-examination and testimony from the majority side and the minority side. But the GOP didn't want that. The GOP in the Senate defeated that Blue Ribbon Commission, which I and other Independents wanted. So instead the House created its own select committee and passed along party lines. McCarthy could have put people in there who would have asked or attempted at honest questions such as Rep Armstrong of North Dakota, Liz Cheney, and Kinzinger. Others I would include are Crenshaw of Texas, Rodney Davis of Illinois, and maybe one other. But McCarthy didn't do that and now he and the GOP in the House are reaping what they have sowed. This is called personal responsibility, you know the mantra that Conservatives like you harp on from time to time but appears you can't follow your own advice. And Republicans are also going to reap from the failure to pass the PACT Act, something that veterans, a cornerstone of GOP political donations. Personally, I think veterans should refuse to donate to any Republican up for reelection, especially in the Senate, who failed to pass the PACT Act and reap what they have sown.

The hearings on presenting a timeline of what happened and who knew what, and when. That is why the January 6th committee wants those deleted text messages from the Secret Service personnel who were with Trump that day, that is why they want the December meetings with some of his closest advisors which indicated he wanted that rally and other stuff that day. That is why Trump's former Defense Secretary at that time has testified, under oath, that no order for National Guard Troops was provided by the WH. That is why we had a testimony of former Patriot Boys testify before congress. That is why the Congressional committee has obtained records from social media, telecommunications companies, and so forth of the 1000 plus people who participated in the January 6th riots. Eventually, the committee will write a report and detail all of this for the public to read. Then there will be nowhere to hide anymore for modern conservatives, Trump, and Trump loyalists.

As for the hearings, most people do not watch TV news anymore, especially people under the age of 50. You really need to look who watches CNN, Newsmax, Fox, MSNBC, etc. That is a failed argument by Fox, especially their opinionated programming. That being said, those of us who are legal professionals are very interested in the committee hearing. For me, I read more than I watch and reading articles, directly or indirectly from their websites, does not reflect viewership. Quite honestly, most people cannot sit through a two-day trial on Court TV for any crime because it is not the same as Law and Order or Matlock or Perry Mason. Some of the polls recently now indicate that independents and a plurality of Republicans want someone else other than Trump. This is also true with Biden of independents and Democrats and most of the voting populace don't want a Trump-Biden choice again for President. So yes, people do care, mostly independents, legal professionals, and others, just not modern conservatives like you who want to ignore what happened on January 6th altogether or pretend it never did happen. Life does not work that way.

 

If you are going to argue a point you should argue it honestly. Nancy Pelosi is not in charge of the Capital Police. If you wish to include her as such why don't you also include the other person who shares fiscal responsibility with her, the Senate Majority Leader.

The United States Capitol Police (USCP) is overseen by the Capitol Police Board and has Congressional oversight by appropriations and authorizing committees from the U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate

https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight

 

You're assuming they don't exist. Trump loves suing and will sue anyone over anything, as well as publicly slander anyone he deems is disloyal to him. And since Jan 6, it's also evident what Trump's supporters are capable of. Associates of Trump know this and have learned to keep their identities hidden when revealing their interactions with him.

Besides, is this so surprising a "revelation" about Trump? It's already been voiced numerous times by various guests in the news media that one of Trump's primary goals in running for office again is to protect himself from criminal charges --- just as he had during his four years as president.

Trump understands he has zero argumentative defense against the criminal charges. He has only what he believes to be existing "Presidential immunity" to rely on.

Trump is asking an appeals court to give him immunity from civil lawsuits linked to the January 6 Capitol riot [LINK]

You mean like how the delusional Right still believes the election was stolen?

 

The impeachment witch hunts and all the other witch hunts were the tools of a very corrupt bipartisan elite ruling political class refusing to accept the election of a populist outsider. All of these aggressive hostile investigations came up empty and so completely exonerated Trump.

Everyone knows that by now.

Our political establishment is choking on its own contradictions.

“Even the best of us have certain psychological mechanisms that can suddenly kick in and turn us into monsters. That to me is the basic message of events like the rise of Nazism, the Salem witch trials, and so on: not that bad people do bad things, but that good people do bad things. It's distressingly easy for those mechanisms to be triggered, either consciously by demagogues, or naively by people who think they're trying to do the right thing. Which is why I think it's more akin to tic-tac-toe.” Neal Town Stephenson

 

Did you misspell Propaganda? You and I both know it was a combined effort of DNC and MSNBCNN lying and seeding discontent on the gullible and susceptible of this nation

 

The Inconvenient Truth:

“Democrat presidential nominee Joe Biden bragged his campaign has assembled the “most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics” in a podcast published Saturday.

Speaking to former Obama administration staffers on Pod Save America, host Dan Pfeiffer asked Biden what his message was to Americans who have not yet voted in the election.
NEWSPUNCH, VIDEO: Biden Brags Democrats Have Built ‘Most Extensive Voter Fraud Organization in History’ October 25, 2020.
https://newspunch.com/video-biden-b...xtensive-voter-fraud-organization-in-history/

 

Just wow. The 15%ers are such an easy sell.

1. Your party has no credibility to make any claims. After 7 years, 50 Forensic FBI agents, two dozen CIA officials, 14 top Democrat lawyers, 2500 witnesses. millions of subpoenaed documents, dozens of investigation, NY DA investigations, and the thousands of Democrat felony criminal claims, what is your batting average for criminal claims vs indictments?
0/20,000?
All you have succeeded in doing is make Trump the most exonerated citizen in US history.

2. Only in the lowest educated minds of those left over 15%ers will you hear you can hide from criminal activity by being the president.

3. And any accusation is only as credible as its accuser. If the accuser can only make accusations under the cover of anonymity, it shows they have no credibility.

4. And if Trump is going to sue everyone who has made fake claims against him he would have lawsuits against most Democrats in the house so your weak excuse is laughable.

 

Other than the fact he has committed no crimes, which is an ironclad defense against criminal charges.

 

Making such a claim holds no water unless you can refute the charges with facts. Do you have any facts to refute what the videos, witnesses, and other presented evidence have demonstrated?

 

Yeah. lets talk about your (so called) inconvenient truths you are claiming.

In a committee who is supposedly tasked with finding out what happened on J6 to include their claim of a conspiracy to install fake electors, that somehow support your inconvenient truth claims:

Gen Milley who was in the meeting with Trump when Trump requested NG troops
isn't a key witness

Gen. William J. Walker Commander of the National Guard who already testified he was told to stand down by the Pentagon
isn't a key witness

Gen. Walter Piatt, director of the Army staff who refused to send the NG
isn't a key witness

Capital Police Chief Steven Sund who was requesting NG support and was on the grounds during the riot
isn't a key witness

Mike Pence who (according to Democrats) was tasked with installing the fake electors,
isn't a key witness

Sgt at Arms for the Capital who was on location during the riots and received request from the Chief of police
isn't a key witness

Secret Service who requested to testify over their claims that Hutchinson is lying
aren't key witnesses

Secret Service at the Capital defending the house,
aren't key witnesses

Steven Miller was called for a private a deposition
isn't a key witness

11 states electors Democrats claim were in a scheme to defraud the election at Trump's direction
are not key witnesses

So according to your inconvenient truths, nobody in charge, nobody in command, nobody with direct information on the electors, and nobody in charge of the National guard, or in direct defense of the Capital while on location during the riots are key witnesses?

Your inconvenient truths are a joke and to even hint these are not key witnesses is just blatantly dishonest.

Yet another false post that is blatantly dishonest. I could care less if Trump is indicted or not and I don't want him running for president.
But that doesn't stop you from just posting fake claims of something you have no clue about.

And yet another fake claim. I did my research and I found who the committee called and refused to call as witnesses.
Did you see any link I posted about any media making those claims? NOPE
Another dishonest BS claim by you.

Says the poster that has knowingly falsified just about every claim made in this post alone.

Another fake claim you slurped up from your leftist 15%ers news groups. If we were going to isolate mockeries from committees, after Schiff was found knowingly falsifying information to the Senate, knowingly lying about evidence he never had, knowingly lying about is secret whistle blower he was going to have testify, knowingly submitting made up Twitter accounts and text about Trump to the Senate he was caught red handed with, plus his idiotic fake phone call reedition like it came from the Sopranos, you make yourself look like an idiot calling Jordon a mockery.

Not to mention Pelosi and Schiff being so stupid as to hold an impeachment hearings without a house vote or any delegation of authority making their subpoenas worthless and you have the balls to call out Jordon? Sounds more like you will slurp up anything you are commanded too by your handlers.

McCarthy made the right choice. Pelosi has no room to claim anything on Jordon and this hypocrisy is just idiotic. And she is in no position to lecture anyone. The GOP isn't going to provide your fake committee with their representation when Pelosi decides who can and can't be on this board.

And you can twist your words all day long about why people aren't watching but what you can't do is rewrite the actual numbers. Every broadcaster who aired this lost over 60% of their daily viewership every time they did it. And nothing you fake claim about changes it.

Nobody is watching this fake committee who refuses to even call the witnesses in command and control of the Capital on J6.
And the beauty of all this is, nobody cares what you believe. Midterms will tell you everything you need to know but I am sure you will dig up another excuse for that bloodbath when it happens.

 

You mean like after 7 years Democrats haven't landed a single criminal indictment against him?
So according to you, This criminal Trump has outsmarted every Democrat and intelligence agency in the US.

 

It's not "my" party. I don't follow any party --- just logic & facts.

As far as Trump getting away with his litany of crimes & violations of office/public trust, he not only has powerful (wealthy) people in positions both in business & govt to help him skate (because it's in THEIR interest to do so), but our very system lacks the teeth & will to swiftly remove people who are blatantly corrupt --- all because wealthy elites rule this nation and wish to protect their kind, their wealth, and their authority. Trump's lawyers also know how to tie up the courts, and how to use legal suits to their benefit.

The elites are never keen on setting a precedent by prosecuting corruption because corruption is the means by which they rule. When someone in high position is charged, it's usually because they violated some part of the establishment agenda or pissed someone off in a higher position, not because of any violation against the nation's people. Thus the punishment is either very light, the person is forced to resign, or they simply skate.

Bill Clinton should've been removed as well, not because he had an affair & lied about it, but because of his past. He had been involved in the Mena, Arkansas drugs-for-weapons trafficking & Vince Foster's death as governor of the state. He skated through it because it was a matter that the establishment elites did not want widely publicized since it involved the CIA.

Most other presidents, including Reagan, both Bushes, and Obama should've been removed as well for corruption & violation of public trust, if not barred from even running for office. Trump himself should've been barred from running for office in 2016 because of his history of corruption & criminal behavior --- as well as his sociopathic character.

How am I responsible?

It's the Right & the wealthy elites that are blocking (or trying to block) his criminal indictment. Think about it: Trump is the central figure in the Jan 6 hearings. Yet he's not even forced to testify, and is even allowed to demand that subpoenaed witnesses refuse to testify with impunity (which is witness tampering). Now tell me that doesn't wreak of an inside job.

Then I guess you don't know the DOJ's pronouncement regarding the indictment of a sitting president.

What anonymous accuser(s) are you referring to?

A straw-man argument. You're presupposing the lawsuits are "fake". Which of the over 4000 lawsuits against your beloved Trump are you claiming are "fake"?

 

Trump is a moron. All the smarts come from his lawyers, as well as support from wealthy elites who either are at risk of being indicted themselves or have vested interests in getting Trump back into office. Trump learned early from his corrupt father about the value of having the best lawyers.

 

So what you are saying is the Trump felt there was going to be violence at the Capitol so he requested extra troops ... THEN when he
found out no extra troops were sent, he spent a couple hours ginning up the crowd, pointed them toward the Capitol building and
told them to go protest ... EVEN though HE KNEW the building was under-protected.

Makes sense ... what a cluster - ****.