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Duty, Honor, Nothing

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Bluesguy, Mar 18, 2024.

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    The Mello Guy, Mar 19, 2024
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  2. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    West Point has turned out a number of scoundrels and traitors. Pompeo and Powell are but two.
     
    Eleuthera, Mar 19, 2024
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    Has the star spangled banner be rewritten 9 times in the last 30 years?
     
    cd8ed, Mar 19, 2024
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    ECA Well-Known Member

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    The Academy has changed its mission statement numerous times during the three centuries it has been in existence. Like I said...manufactured outrage. Carry on
     
    ECA, Mar 19, 2024
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  5. Bluesguy

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    And your assertions, mere personal opinion, wipe everything else out? You just had to get something bad to say about West Point in there? Why is that?

    Tell me do you believe there are institutions of the size and history as West Point which have never produced a scoundrel or traitor to which you limit your admiration? Can you list me a few of these?
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 19, 2024
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  6. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The article is clear enough and the link leads you to it in it's entirity (that posting limit here)

    It explains it all, what was wrong with the mission statement that they had to eliminate Duty, Honor, Country from it?
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 19, 2024
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  7. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None of that is true
     
    Think for myself, Mar 19, 2024
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  8. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    It was changed in 1998 to the MISSION STATEMENT from which it was JUST removed................would you guys please bother to read the links and articles before you post?
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 19, 2024
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  9. Bluesguy

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    West Point is something above just "people" as is it's MISSION STATEMENT and to whom it applies, I don't know many "people" whose job it is to put their lives on the line in DUTY to their country. Too bad you DON'T care about those who do and whether they should do it to defend their country with honor or just fight for "army values" whatever that is supposed to mean here.
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 19, 2024
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  10. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The article is not true, then post the article that says different.
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 19, 2024
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  11. Think for myself

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    Why? I can sit here and watch the MAGA meltdown without doing thst
     
    Think for myself, Mar 19, 2024
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  12. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Should those in the Army fight for Duty, Honor, Country or some vague "Army Values" as set by whomever is the current leadership of the Army? What should be their highest calling, the Country or the Army?
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 19, 2024
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  13. Bluesguy

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    Superintendent Lt. Gen. Steve Gilland changed it. Should the mission of our soldiers be to fight for the Country or the values of the current Army leadership, the "Army Values" which is replacing it?
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 19, 2024
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  14. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    OK I'll sit here and watch you make statements you can't back up then.
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 19, 2024
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  15. The Mello Guy

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    And now it’s the motto. Big whoop
     
    The Mello Guy, Mar 19, 2024
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  16. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds like a wonderful way to spend your day
     
    Think for myself, Mar 19, 2024
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    I dont think you can fairly equate not caring about a cadets schools motto with not caring about those who serve our country lol.
     
    Oldyoungin, Mar 19, 2024
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  18. grapeape

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    Again, ARMY leadership made the change.

    WHY are you and yours so against the US Military ?
     
    grapeape, Mar 19, 2024
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You’re manufacturing rage.

    Why don't you tell us what “Army Values” are
     
    grapeape, Mar 19, 2024
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  20. Bluesguy

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    A BIG difference if you knew anything about the military.
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 20, 2024
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  21. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The SUPERINTENDENT of the academy did it are you asserting we the citizens are no longer over the military and it is above our critism and in fact the mission of our soldiers in arms IS army values above the country and their duty and honor to her?
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 20, 2024
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    So the superintendent isnt in Army Leadership ?

    We "citizens" have NEVER been over Army Leadership...WTAF are you on about ? Now YOU want to make decisions over the military ?

    BTW, what ARE Army Values" ?
     
    grapeape, Mar 20, 2024
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  23. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    He is the leader of West Point and yes the military in the United States is under CIVILIAN leadership which is a FUNDAMENTAL principle of our country.

    ROFLMAO talk about teeing one up for me...........................EXACTLY...................what ARE "Army Values" which is replacing Duty, Honor, COUNTRY in the mission statement. Who decides that? Do you want our soldiers fighting to defend the Army and the military or the COUNTRY?

    So you tell me what are these "Army Values" and if you can't then how can we ask our young soldiers to die for it.
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 21, 2024
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  24. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is about THE MISSION STATEMENT NOT THE MOTTO.
     
    Bluesguy, Mar 21, 2024
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    JFC, we the people elect our leaders who then control the military….


    I literally posted them in the previous post and they are :

    • Loyalty. Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the Army, your unit and other Soldiers. ...
    • Duty. Fulfill your obligations. ...
    • Respect. Treat people as they should be treated. ...
    • Selfless Service. Put the welfare of the nation, the Army, and your subordinates before your own. ...
    • Honor. ...
    • Integrity. ...
    • Personal Courage

    Why do you just keep making things up to fain outrage against….
     
    grapeape, Mar 21, 2024
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