Everything they can do to cheat.

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  1. Melb_muser

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    Yeah, photos of GOP interns really suggest that. Lmao
     
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    There is no evidence whatsoever for your claim.
     
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    He lied.
     
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    But even when they fail, the challenges have consequences. In some states, a challenge alone is enough to limit a voter’s access to a mail ballot, or to require additional documentation at the polls. Privately, activists have said they consider that a victory.

    At the same time, right-wing media outlets have promoted the challenges, casting public officials as corrupt and creating fodder that could be used in another round of legal challenges should Mr. Trump lose again.

    “It really is aimed at being able to cast doubt on the results after the fact,”
    said Joanna Lydgate, the chief executive of States United Democracy Center, a nonpartisan organization. “But also, before the election itself, at being able to shape who turns out and how they turn out.”


    They have a plan in mind.
     
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    The ongoing Repub project is centered around the idea of wanting fewer people not casting votes for Repubs to be able to cast their votes. Not persuading those voters to vote for them.

    Could Lawsuits Over Simple Ballot Mistakes Be the Difference in Key Swing States?

    A key provision of the Civil Rights Act protects voters nationwide from being disenfranchised over innocent and minor accidental ballot mistakes. Republicans seem bothered by this reality, litigating against parties seeking to enforce the provision in a multitude of court cases throughout the country.

    Dating back 60 years to the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Materiality Provision states that “[n]o person acting under color of law shall…deny the right of any individual to vote in any election because of an error or omission…if such error or omission is not material in determining whether such individual is qualified.”

    In practice, the provision seeks to ensure that well-intended voters aren’t disenfranchised over small issues that are irrelevant to a voter’s eligibility. The most common areas of concern involve signatures, incorrect or missing dates, other omissions on mail-in ballots and ballots missing an outer return envelope.

    https://www.democracydocket.com/ana...stakes-be-the-difference-in-key-swing-states/
     
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    Because it hurts to see him choke like a doge!!??! :).....and then whine like a hit doge after?!
     
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    I assure you, there is plenty of evidence of denial and hiding. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. Dems hide something about everything they do.

    Then, you have the basic question of cognitive reasoning- the ability to hold stable metrics as standards and recognize variables.

    The supreme court just unanimously struck down the plan to keep Trump off the ballots, the dems' latest idea to avoid allowing that democratic choice to go to the people.

    While the ink is hardly dry on that ruling, dems in congess are already trying to concoct a way to evade it, the House Speaker reports.
    ( https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sp...scotus-allows-trump-stay-co-ballot-get-a-grip )


    These people believe that whatever they want to believe is real and fair; that laws or Constitutional Standards that conflict with them are irrelevant. That constitutes a severe mental disorder- and clearly disqualifies the opinions of such people about anything.
    Joe won... And Pigs Fly. What's more they fly in formation, and have democratic jackass symbols tattooed on their tails....

    Those two delusions are equally valid. Prove Joe didn't cheat. All the circumstantial evidence and conditions say there was no other way.
     
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    There is no evidence whatsoever that Biden cheated to win. And the "Prove Joe didn't cheat" demand invokes the impossibility of proving a negative. Trump has lied about this from the beginning.
    No one thinks less of Trump than I, but I'm glad the SCOTUS decided he can't be kept off the ballot.
     
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    Yes, it does mean proving a negative. And lack of proof of how something happened is certainly not proof it didn't.

    Prove Trump (And the millions of people who are positive they watched a rigged election) lied.

    Lies are statements you know to be untrue. I don't tell lies. I firmly believe that the elections was rigged. It would be a lie for me to say otherwise.
    And I say it was, because that is the only explanation that supports and explains the result given the conditions, the facts we do know.

    I can say we don't have court-room qualified evidence of how it was done. It's like the coroner saying the cause of death is undetermined- not that it wasn't homicide.

    See if you can come up with another explanation.
    Tell me how a person can hate Trump... And tolerate Biden. That kind of mindset is a psychological contortion that is very difficult to define. It can't be done using a consistent value set, and I'd like to hear how anybody can live with rubber rules and not despise themselves for it.

    I do not have rubber rules- and I live what I believe everyday. I do not lie to myself, and I would have to do that to say Biden won honestly.
     
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    For all his faults, Trump is not stupid. If he's not stupid then he knows he lost, and therefore lied. If I'm wrong, and he is stupid, then he should not be President.
    In 2020 I voted for Biden because it was imperative to defeat Trump. That was the first time in my life I voted for a Democrat for President.
    In 2024 I will vote for neither Trump nor Biden.
     
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    OK... I can understand that.

    No Trump is not stupid; but neither is he perfect. I care about the things a candidate brings to the table. Not his personal life, but his vision for the job and the nation, and the direction he will lead.
    You have never seen a candidate with greater convictions and self confidence in his beliefs than Trump. So long as his beliefs are right, that is a huge asset for the job. He doesn't stick his finger in the political wind at every decision; he tells it as he sees it. It's annoying to many; they will call it arrogance, narcisism and more, in a politician. In a sports figure, they will call those desireable qualities. In politics, the opposite.
    However, what we need most is characteristics of strong, properly directed leadership- not general, personal popularity. Unfortunately, elections tend to favor the latter.

    I'm in a kind of unique position in knowing how to read people, knowing how we think. I understand why Trump sometimes generates resentment, but I also know that resentment should have nothing to do with the job qualifications. It's human nature, because humanity is a work in progress and has a long, long way to go.

    I'd love to see someone with Trump's abilities but without the baggage hung on him on the ballot. But, I don't know of anyone who has that capacity, who would take the job.

    Trump is like General George Patton in WWII. Best general in the field, most respected and feared by the enemies- and disliked by his own leadership for refusing to let the poltical game over-rule the mission he was on. Didn't lose to the Germans. Taken down by his own politicians, who got their priorities inverted. Among other things, they feared his tremendous popularity with the American people- and saw that as a political threat. It doesn't take much savvy to see the level of fear the democrats today have for Trump. It's enough that they are willing to sellout. Everything. That is scary.
     
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    Trump is a dishonest coward and a loathsome toad without any sense of honor or duty.
     
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    You are entitled to believe that. Everybody makes mistakes. I had a friend that hated Trump with a passion, because she felt he dressed like a mobster, and didn't like his choice of a red tie.
     
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    He's a draft-dodging blowhard who would be the first to run in a fight.
     

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