False labeling deaths as covid19

A friend of mine in Louisiana and his family are having the death certificate corrected for the loss of an elderly family member who was in hospice care. She never tested positive for covid, had tested negative weeks before she died. Two nurses were questioned if she died of covid, both said no, however the death certificate still listed covid. The cause of death is now being changed since the family is disputing it.

So knowing this, how many deaths were falsely labeled as covid deaths?

 

I caught the end of something on the radio yesterday and I'm curious to hear more. It sounded like Colorado (which I believe has a Dem governor) is trying to make the medical folks correct their death reports and quit marking every death as COVID. I'll be curious to hear more, and I also wonder if we will see/hear more of this in coming weeks.

Right now it can be financially advantageous ----as well as politically advantageous, for Democrats---- to mislabeling all deaths as COVID. Which makes a wise person suspicious of any death counts, as it stands.

If we are to be able to trust our statistics, or gain any useful insight from them, first we must be able to trust they are based on correct information. Falsely attributing deaths to COVID doesn't benefit anyone (except maybe Democrats, as they politicize this thing, but screw them, we need accurate information.)

 

From what I read they strongly suspect Covid -19 deaths are being severely UNDERCOUNTED!!!!

 

Internet rumors are such fun, aren't they? "I have this friend of a friend, and his uncle said ...".

I find the truth usually lands somewhere in the middle. Most likely there are some deaths falsely attributed and some deaths not
properly recorded yet, and there were may be longer term issues and deaths from kidney damage and blood clots caused by exposure to Covid-19.

 

It was Colorado and other states are starting to look at the counts.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/05...county-coroner-alcohol-poisoning-covid-death/

The only unfortunate thing is, it took coroners office to spill the beans to the local media to finally get some action.

Since this report, we've had no new cased of Covid related deaths as of yesterday. I've not seen the counts for today.

 

You should venture outside of CNN. They have an agenda and scary the bajesus out of their minions is priority 1.

 

This was someone I know personally, not an internet rumor.

 

Well the CDC did decide to expand their definition of what was a reportable COVID-19 death.


US virus numbers now include probable cases without tests

NEW YORK (AP) — The U.S. tally of coronavirus cases and deaths could soon jump because federal health officials will now count illnesses that are not confirmed by lab testing.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told states Tuesday to include probable COVID-19 cases in their reports to the agency. Previously, most states reported only lab-confirmed cases and deaths.

 

The possibilities will be endless.

 

Oh yes, there is no limit to the death toll of COVID-19 now.

 

It will make the statistics meaningless. I'd be curious at the rationale behind a move like this, because it seems so stupid.

 

I think you just answered your own question; to make the statistics meaningless.

 

The notion that somehow probable cases should not be included because you don't have a positive test doesn't make any sense.

 

the notion that unverified cases should be counted, makes no sense

 

It makes a great deal of sense. These are individuals who died and their doctor/the examiner has a reasonable and justifiable belief that the cause of death was covid-19.

 

So how does this work, seeing as how the CDC director is a Trump appointee? Trump's CDC director is going to inflate the death count so...

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Kindly fill in the blank.

 

so now we base numbers on speculation, or a hunch. That seems to be ok with you if it falsely drives up the numbers. Lemme guess, "orange man bad" has blinded your ability to think without bias. No need to answer that as your past posts have provided the answer.

I've no use for those who want to politicize covid instead of dealing with actual facts. If the empty suit were POTUS when covid happened, I'd be saying the same thing despite disagreeing with all of his policies.

 

It makes sense when they're aren't enough tests to test all the dead bodies. Did this old person with all these Covid symptoms who died of pneumonia REALLY die of Covid?

Yes. It's not some conspiracy concocted by Trump's own CDC (run by a Trump appointee). That would just be stupid, wouldn't it?

 

? Really? I realize you guys try to politicize everything, but the idea that we're going to classify non COVID deaths as COVID deaths seems the ultimate in politicization. Based on your comment, you seem like some sort of science denier, but contaminating the data for your political purposes means we'll never have a good handle on the parameters of the disease because you'll have added to much garbage data in our understanding of it, just like the Chinese did.

 

I'm not sure what your question has to do with my comment. How does what work? What are you talking about?

 

They are probable cases based on the evaluation of a medical expert who examined the body. How is that a "non COVID" death or a science denier?

And please, try to think of the counterargument. How does undercounting Covid deaths help you politically?

 

Once again, it is fun watching Guy Fawkes defend the political elite.

But you are barking up the wrong tree if you want to think I don't deal with the actual facts of Covid. I have spent tens of hours tracking the data from around the country and around the world personally and analyzing it in any way you can imagine. If you have a question, there is a very good chance that I can show you a portion of my excel spreedsheet that answers your question.

The very simple fact is that if you look at the number of excess deaths going on in the areas hardest hit by the virus and compares those numbers against the yearly average for those time and places, then it is extremely likely that we are currently undercounting the number of deaths. Not overcounting.

 

People die of pneumonia and flu every year. Now all the people who died of flu and pneumonia since January can be counted as covid19 deaths by this logic.

 

See that's the difference between you and I; I don't want an undercount, I want an accurate count because it expands our understanding of the disease, and you want to inflate the numbers because you think it benefits your political goals.

If the person doesn't have the virus, it's not a COVID-19 death, no matter how badly you want to pad the numbers.

 

Ok, so here's the mistake that I believe you are making. You are conflating "the absence of a positive test" with "doesn't have the virus." The probable cases that are being counted in the absence of a positive test are being done so because the test was never conducted.

If the person is a "probable case," but the has a Covid test return as negative, then they are not counted as having the virus. The lone exception to that standard is some extremely compelling evidence that the test was a false negative like the deceased was roommates with someone who died from covid-19.