Fast-food workers strike nationwide in protest against wages

What a simplistic , naive, and childish belief.

Yes, SOME people are like that, no doubt about that, but the vast majority are not.

Also, let me ask you something.Do you have kids If so , do you constantly go around telling them they are only worth so much? If not, why not? I'll tell you why not , because if you are constantly telling someone they are only worth so much, eventually that IS all they will strive to be worth.

 

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IOW a young child or young teen who grows up malnourished, not from under eating but eating the wrong kinds of foods during their development years, can and do suffer brain deficiencies and abnormalities that cannot be repaired or corrected as adults. So with most of the people who grew up in a poverty stricken environment it isn't just about being lazy, or not trying hard enough, it's about not being facilitated with the brain capacity that makes them any way compatible to/with someone who was never stricken with malnourishment in their lifetime. Even when they seem normal on the outside their brain doesn't function the way a normal brain does.

 

Yes it accounted for them working a second job.

Once again the problem there is, McDonalds, and other fast food places I assume, do NOT give people steady schedules. One week you may work 8-4 then next 10-6 , or what have you.

How are you going to get a second job when you can't guarantee someone what hours you will be available?

See, this is why even though I am generally a government out of my business guy I believe the government should step in and deal with these places. Because they have ALL the leverage, and the employee is just crapped on.

If these places were generally treating their employees well , I would agree that low wages are just part of it, but they don't, they take advantage of EVERY law they can to give their employees as much shaft as they can.

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Hey, that may explain why we make our kids eat their veggies. You may be onto something there.

 

did I ever say it was easy? that's yet another reason why maybe you show good work ethic, get better training at a young age instead of wasting opportunity.

 

Look dude, we don't allow people in this country to be mistreated just because they made bad choices, and that is if we conceded that every person working fast food has made bad choices, which I don't concede.

ALso, why do you REFUSE to admit that some people just simply aren't suited for more than working at fast food restaurants? I mean that is a fact. They don't deserve to be (*)(*)(*)(*) on because of that either.

 

Take it up with the dictionary.

Probably explains why so many employees have no incentive, do exactly what they need to, to get by holding the positions they hold, and why so much property and merchandise is stolen from employers who treat their employees like furniture, and not a partner, limited though the case may be.

 

If they are stealing should they get rewarded for their behavior or replaced with people not interested in stealing?

 

I would hope so, but you have to catch them first. I wasn't condoning the actions, how unbelievable that you assumed otherwise.

Or you could treat them as the human beings they are, accept them as a limited partner, and pay them a decent wage w/incentives to be paid better if possible, that actually reflects their contribution to the company. Of course the new model is right out of the dark ages and the industrialized age of the robber barons, so you in essence get what you pay for. A mindless slug who could give two squats about their job, and steal at every opportunity to get a better share.

 

My point is expenses are not profit. Further, income is not profit. I hope you agree with those statements. I think net income is a fair description, and Merriam-Webster agrees with me, but if there is a further subtlety (perhaps within a more focused context) that I'm missing, I'd appreciate learning better. How are profits not net income?




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As much as some would like to imagine it's true, the relationship between an employer and his minimum wage employee is not a parent child relationship.

There is no parental duty to protect an employee like he was a newborn, to raise him through his formative years to become a self-sufficient and contributing part of society.

Adults, employee's or otherwise, are responsible for their own choices. If you do nothing and take criticism about your actions as direction to devalue yourself. If you strive to be worth nothing... that is only your own fault and only you should bear it's consequence.



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Expenses are not profit, that is true, but in the context Joe was using, he was correct. He was stating that employee pay should be considered to be part of the business profit and that employees should share in that.

Take me for example. I own a small business. I don't put all the profit in my pocket. I draw a paycheck every week, just like all my employees. But my paycheck IS profit, and so to in that regard can employees paychecks be part of profit.

And net income does not equal profit, because any halfway successful company is going to reinvest some of its profits back into the company which makes those profits NOT part of net income. The IRS agrees. If you make $50K a year and put $10K of that back into the company, you do not pay income tax on that $10K

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I only used your children as an example, I didn't contend that employees should be an employer's children.

 

ok, so a person unsuited for more than fast food deserves to be paid more because he can't do anything else?

Sorry, pass.

Besides, they aren't being "mistreated" They are being paid a wage for a menial job.

He can live on McDonalds wages. The ones that can't seem to figure out how are the ones that insist on having all the latest gadgets and toys they can't afford. They put off buying food to buy iphones, then expect the taxpayer to then buy their food (via ebt)

Trust me, when they get hungry enough, they'll quit buying toys with food money.

 

The IRS does not agree with that statement. You have told the IRS that you spent that $10K as a valid business expense and you therefore have $40k in net income (or profit). If you told them that $10k was not a valid business expense it would have been considered part of the business profit and you would have had to pay income tax on it.

If you draw a paycheck, you are an employee in addition to being an owner. You are telling the IRS that you are doing work to earn that paycheck, work that if you didn't do you would have to hire someone else to do. Salaries are a valid business expense. If you choose not to consider them an expense, you will pay income tax on that money. If you call them an expense, they are not profit. Expenses are not profit.



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Interesting, threatening people with starvation who already work for less than they can live on, isn't considered mistreatment?

Do as I command or die, sounds like something an evil king/dictator would say to his peasants.

What toys are you referring too?

A phone they most likely are required to have by the tyrant who doesn't pay him enough to live on but expects him to be at his beckon call?

What toys only a person of wealth should have access to are you referring too?

His Ferrari he keeps in an underground garage with an elevator?

His country club membership?

His home on the coast?

Or the one in the Caribbean?

The numerous politicians he owns and has on speed dial?

The mistress he keeps in a Manhattan loft?

You guys have a rich imagination if nothing else. Poor people with luxury toys, give me a break.

 

An example of why I would be accountable for how each turned out. My point is it's reasonable to hold a person responsible for how their children grow up, it's not reasonable to hold them accountable for whether their employees grow up. It is therefore a bad example.



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dont jump the gun here I was just correcting you when you said "its their money"

 

$7.25 an hour X 30 hours a week (a generous estimate) X 52 weeks a year = $11,310 a year, BEFORE taxes

Go ahead big boy, tell me how a person can exist on that.

And I don't want to hear any stupid BS about living 20 people to an apartment or anything like that.

Any person who is willing to work at a full time job ought to have enough money to afford the dignity of living a reasonable lifestyle without suffering indignities such as piling into an apartment like (*)(*)(*)(*) ants, or relying on food stamps to eat.

Do you know that fast food restaurants don't even allow their employees a free meal while working now ? Oops can't afford that $5.99 loss per employee per day.

Any REASONABLE person should object to that kind of system. When you add in the fact that we as taxpayers are giving welfare assistance to these employees, we shouldn't just object, we should be PISSED.

I once again FULLY believe that those of you who are on here objecting to a modest increase in the minimum wage that takes employees off welfare (IE $9.27 an hour) do so ONLY because it is perceived to be a liberal agenda.

Get off your partisan high horse and do the right thing.

 

No, that is not what I used them as an example of. I used them as an example of people rising to the exact expectations you have of them. Tell your children every day that they can't be more than ditch diggers and that's exactly what they will be.

Tell your employees they are only worth $7.25 an hour, and that is exactly what you will get from them.


Here's another example of greedy fast food

Labor rate goes too high , people get sent home, the company couldn't care less if they can pay their bills.

Labor rate is extremely low bc it's busier than (*)(*)(*)(*) and people are working their asses off, do those people get any bonus for the extra busy time? Hell no.

 

Okaaaay? Nothing you quotes said I said that.

If they work for it, it is their money. If the government gives them money it is also their money to do with as they see fit. Not exactly the way I would do it but hey, it is what it is. Your beef is with the government, or the corporation who pays them so little in this economy that they need to subsidize the insignificant wages they receive by mooching off the government. Welfare was and is an invention of the rich/elites and the best government corporate money can buy.

Try and be productive and focus your anger and contentment on the wealth and power that created the welfare state, not the people encouraged by their employer to mooch because they don't want to pay a realistic wage.

 

How can that not make sense to people?

I mean it's beyond obvious that some companies aren't going to pay more than what the government FORCES them to pay, if that weren't true, then we wouldn't even need a minimum wage law. Meanwhile the VERY same government that says "this is the minimum wage" turns right around and via the welfare laws admits that the minimum wage isn't enough to keep a person out of poverty and yet some people want to insist that a person can live on the minimum wage LOL

 

Why won't those people just get fired? While will the labor budget magically increase with the minimum wage? How long does the average person work for minimum wage? You should ask yourself these questions.

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No one says you can make a living on minimum wage. They don't train you in school so you can "go on to make a minimu wage for the rest of your life".

 

Exactly why minimum wage increases are useless, and just a band aid when a tourniquet is necessary.

This the problem and the key;

Pay adjustments need to come from the top, not forced on the consumer. Forcing better pay on the consumer will only increase prices and poverty will climb to a new level. These folks will still be in the same boat they are in now only they will have more money that is worth less.

It's not an easy problem to solve since it took 40 years to get to the critical level it is in today.

In the great depression the rich/elites of the day realized if they didn't do something quick to save the country it would fall into communism, so they created the 90% tax rate for the richest Americans to entice them into investing into the country and it's people again. They did and they continued to prosper and so did the country. The nation as a whole prospered for the next 30 years. Then the deck was reshuffled, along with the tax code, the banks were deregulated, and the rich/elites prospered the way they did from the industrial age to the roaring 20's until the bottom finally fell out.

It is time for the rich to reinvest into the nation and it's people again, but the rich/elites of today don't have the sense the almighty gave a pis-ant. Greed is more important than the nation. If it falls into communism/socialism they are willing to accept it as long as they have all the advantages, and they still own the government. The rich/elites of today have everything they ever wanted and intend on keeping it that way.

Welcome to the new communist republic of America.

 

My expectations or my evaluation of their work product? You're changing the rules a bit.

But if you say their performance is a result of my expectations, my opinion. You are suggesting I'm responsible for how they turned out. I dispute that.

The employee either performs or he doesn't. If he doesn't strive to get the job done, that is his choice — his failure to try is not my responsibility. And I refuse to treat him like I would a child.

I'll fire him the minute I can find someone else who wants the job and is mature enough to take responsibility for his own performance.



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I doubt you worry about whether the paper boy can pay his bills when you decide to cancel your subscription. I doubt you give the grocer a bonus when he works his tail off putting fresh milk on the shelf. It seems unreasonable for you to expect others to sacrifice more for their neighbor than you might.



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