Federal lawmakers seek to deregulate gun silencers

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  1. rahl

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    They aren't clearly unconstitutional though.
     
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    Because it fires rounds at a higher rate of speed.
     
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    Not really. The uninitiated think a full auto can just be held at hip level and they can hold down the trigger and wreak havoc, but the real world doesn't work that way. Recoil will throw shots off target very easily.

    Properly trained shooters use short, controlled bursts. A friend of mine who served in Marine Force Recon can run a semi-auto gun at speeds some would think would only be possible with full-auto, and he's highly accurate doing it. Even I've managed to run shot splits in three-round semi-auto bursts only hundreds of a second slower than a select fire, 3 round burst carbine achieved, and my three shot groups were much tighter on the target.

    Let's be honest: the restrictions on fully automatic weapons - as well as short-barreled rifles and suppressors - were enacted for dishonest reasons. The government didn't want to admit that Prohibition was an abject failure that directly contributed to growing crime and violence rates, and because they don't like to admit they're wrong they instead tried to enact laws that further restricted people's rights by targeting inanimate objects that were not the real problem.
     
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    I fired one that was full-auto only.
    Sten gun. Simple POS, but fun.
     
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    How does that lead to more danger? Even the Rangers in Afghanistan use their M4s primarily on semi-auto in combat.
     
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    which makes it uniquely dangerous. Full autos are not accurate at all.
     
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    It doesn't.
     
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    More rounds fired at a faster rate of speed means more unintended targets hit by missed rounds.

    Because full autos are not accurate and waste ammo. In a public setting, like a mall or crowded town hall protest, it would cause massive devastation.
     
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    lol, of course it does.
     
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    Really? Shooting higher than the intended targets would cause "massive devastation", more so than shooting aimed shoots at one per second?

    "Massive devastation" was most recently seen in Nice, where more people were killed and injured by a truck than in the Paris shootings with multiple shooters using fully automatic AK47s.
     
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    No, the system has been abused which is why I'm saying the law is unconstitutional. The law violates the 2nd amendment as interpreted in US v Miller, it is invalid on its face.
     
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    Yes they are: US v Miller.
     
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    Under Miller, no firearm is better protected by the 2nd Amendment than the M16 and its derivatives.
    Under Heller, you can add the 1911A1, M9 Beretta and their derivatives to the list.
    Only the ignorant and/or dishonest will argue otherwise.
     
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    They are sufficiently accurate when handled correctly, as is the truth with any firearm. A solid shooting stance, the weapon properly mounted to the shoulder, and one can keep short bursts very tightly clustered on target at the ranges consistent with defensive combat.
     
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    Then take it to court.
     
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    no they aren't. US v Miller doesn't rule the bans unconstitutional.
     
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    Of course not, because it pre-existed. It instead preempts the bans because they violate US v Miller on its face, just as a total ban on abortion would violate roe v wade on its face.

    How is this hard to grasp?
     
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    and meanwhile, you can't own an M16 made after 1986, and it hasn't been ruled unconstitutional.
     
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    No, they do not violate miller. Miller did not rule on the issue.
     
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    What does this mean:

    "The Court cannot take judicial notice that a shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches long has today any reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, and therefore cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees to the citizen the right to keep and bear such a weapon."
     
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    That a SBS is not protected? Where is that from?
     
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    He's trolling you. Don't feed him.
     
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    At a faster rate of speed than what precisely? Than a civilian-legal M16 rifle which utilizes the same internal components? Pray tell how does the date of manufacture, or the degree of registration, somehow make a firearm qualify as being a unique safety hazard?
     
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    uh, non fully automatic weapons.
    The date of manufacture is arbitrary. The danger is the amount of ammo that can be fired, in a short amount of time, with little to no accuracy.
     
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    proving your claims wrong, isn't trolling. lol
     

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