which includes men so physical differences cant be a reason not to be a feminist. Maybe your definition of feminism is the problem? If you're still saying that we aren't equal to men because of differences in physical strength then what are you saying we are? I don't know you, but when a guy mentions that women cant have the rights that men do because men are physically stronger and even mentions that they should appreciate being used for sex, it sure looks like he's saying the ability to have and use physical dominance over women means women will always be inferior to men. Is that what you're saying?
What rights am I denying? Men and women are equal on the things they are equal on. If there are certain things the two sexes are not equal on, there is no reason to pretend that there is a sense of equality.
Feminists, like everyone else, want people to be equal. It's just two things that really screws things up for them: they believe that men and women are completely equal and that they can and want to do the same things, and thus they excpect and want equality of outcome. Id est, they deny the plain fact that men and women have many physical and mental differences, and they simply can't understand that if given equality of opportunity, men and women will never have equality of outcome. There's the conservative view of feminism in a nutshell. views?
Nope, "feminism" does not want people to be equal , they want them to have equal rights...that's a HUGE difference. HUMANS...HUMANS, PEOPLE, women and/or men..."""have many physical and mental differences""". Each individual HUMAN will never have exact equality of outcome as other HUMANS. To view women's outcomes as inherently inferior to male outcomes is just brain dead stupid. So is stereotyping someone by their genitalia.
And the antiquated, trite "always trotted out when they have no answer" CRAP about ," No, woman can carry me out of a burning building" is just stupid. ( and comes in above the REALLY stupid , "Oh goshypoo, I like when big stwong men open doors for little dimwitted me".) First: if you're such a big strong manly guy why don't ya just WALK OUT!!!!! Second : You're dying in a fire? You'd be happy to see ANYBODY who could help. Third: Even if NO woman could ever pull some man's ast to safety why would that determine that female doctors get paid less than male doctors? Why would aero space engineers who are women have to get paid less than their male counterparts....the correlation is just STOOOOOPID!
Feminist Frequency is hot. I'd totally bang her. Anyhoo, I'll just leave this here for some additional perspective. [video=youtube;8nSSIBQcMGA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nSSIBQcMGA&list=UUTI5wzIO1DXQNNbsspE-MmQ&index=22[/video]
Men and women are equal in terms of human and civil rights, but not in terms of behaviour and certain responsibilites. Sexism can only be eradicated if we become sexless and our attitudes and desires are no longer dictated by hormones and darwinian survival behaviours. Personally I believe sexism should be enjoyed, but not to the extent that it limits any rights or opportunities or attacks personal integrity and dignity. I will fight for a woman's rights, equal pay, equal opportunity, but I will also enjoy an artful depiction of the female form until the day I die (and even sometimes a not so artful one).
Well, that's not my experience of what they seem to want anyways. In Sweden there's a lot of talk about lowering the standards for women, and quotas. Id est, not equal rights. I never said inferior, I sad unequal. And you agree, good.
Of course women can be firemen and carry people out of burning building. That's obvious, a fact. Just as it's obvious and a fact that men are generally stronger than women and thus on average more likely to be able to carry you out of a burning building. I totally think that men and women should be payed the same for equal work. I don't think the state should go in and decide how private businesses pay their employees though. Also, I think there's some studies showing that the difference in pay between the sexes is more or less equal (98%) if all factors are equal. Like having to raise a child; something which people seem to forget about.
lol...I dunno about that. http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/it-happened-me-i-was-female-construction-worker http://www.farmerjane.org/book-women.html http://www.independent.co.uk/studen...to-change-the-trades-macho-image-1938311.html There are women in nearly all professions no matter how rare it may be. And let's not forget it was a woman who gestated you for nine months and pushed you out of her crotch (or underwent surgery to give you life) and who most likely nursed and looked after you in your childhood. Most men were able to grow and do great things thanks to the nurture of women! Still it shouldn't be a man vs woman thing. Men and women are all participating in and giving back to society in a variety of ways.
My problem with Feminism is that it's essentially a bunch of people who want to be declared equal without grabbing for it. Go back to the video game video for a minute -- why is it that they complain about women being sex objects in video games (and as a player, it's a fair critisism), but there's no push to have women learn the programing to make their own games? Why is it that women are demanding equal pay, but not equal work? Why aren't they busting into the high paying professions? I think the answer is the same -- deep down, you are a Feminist because you know you cannot make it on your own. If you deserved the same pay as a man, you would have it. If you deserved to have a say in how you are portrayed in the media, you would have women making video games and action movies. If you think you can win, you don't cry about the rules. If you think you cannot win, all of a sudden you look for the referee to declare penalties against the other team. The quarterback who's throwing touchdowns doesn't care that the other team is roughing the passer. The team that is losing the game blames the ref, they say that the other team is breaking the rules. TAKE AGENCY -- either build your own life, or stay at home, but quit spiking the ball and blaming the men for winning. Learn to win at business. Learn to win at media. Learn to win at design, at engineering. Just quit blaming others for your lack of initiative and drive.
There are feminist and feminist. One group wants the equal opportunities of men and women and they are interested about reality, the other see suppression of women everywhere and wants same results without respect to predispositions. And while I think you can consider for example Richard Dawkins as the member of the first group, he certainly doesn't support the second group. For example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHiqXxoRFro We need to make a difference between these two groups.
Looking at the word 'feminist' it doesn't really scream out equality, so I think it's better applied to the latter group. The former can just be called common sense.
Women shouldn't vote. They're long nails make them press the wrong buttons and then all hell breaks loose.
Well, yes, but originally feminists were used for the first group at the times when it wasn't considered common sense. And it is quite commonly used in the original meaning. Maybe we should rather call the latter stupidity.
In my view it's really stupid to choose that name if you only want equality, no matter the historical situation. But yeah, we can just call it common sense and stupidity; that's very descriptive and good.
I actually did two episodes on my podcast regarding Feminism. I talk about what a "straw feminist" is. check them out. ipmnation.com/noboundaries
If we're going to use identity politics, wouldn't it make more sense to use the word 'feminazis' so as to get the true meaning out to the public?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7290-Objectification-And-Men This is worth a look, primarily with regards to video games, but yeah, you're right. I agree largely with thunderf00t, and not just on this video. He talks about an environment of "professional victimhood", and I can do nothing but agree - many of these major feminists play the victim for the sake of attention, and oh so much of what they say is just utter crap. Anyone here heard of Donglegate? Yeah. I am entirely for equality for women. I am against treating women like objects of pleasure (hence why I read dirty comics for my jollies). But what most self-proclaimed feminists do goes so far above and beyond that it (*)(*)(*)(*)ing hurts. Take for example the feminist outcry after elevatorgate, where a man asked a feminist out to coffee at an atheist and the internet blew up. The result was that the next major atheist event had a strict harassment policy and 25% less women showed up - not because of any actual harassment, but because crying wolf like that makes it seem like there's a gigantic harassment problem at atheist conferences. The second video in the series detailing her response to online trolls, which really details what's going on here. I especially like the part where he points out that, despite her complaints about Dinosaur Planet never making it to the console market, she explicitly called out other sci-fi and fantasy female protagonists as simply "mimicking male aspects" in many of the ways thrown onto Krystal. Kinda shrieks of having it both ways, doesn't it? Hell, is there anything she couldn't find sexism in?
