Fems - should brothels and hooking be legalised - 100%?

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  1. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Absolutely. Prostitution is illegal because each side has their own reasoning. The right has religious reasons, the left hates anything that involves the exchange of money.
     
  2. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    If you say so :roll:

    If you say so :roll:

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    Rubbish, I have no problem with prostitution being legal .. just so long as it is legal for both sexes .. there are women who need servicing as well you know.
     
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    I meant the establishments of the left and right - their mainstreams.
     
  4. munter

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    Sure, i've heard of them, but they are a small minority in the whole sex for sale business.

    sexist? not at all, because nature dictates that a man must pay for sex, hence it should be legalised 100%, hooking that is
     
  5. ryobi

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    79.6% of custodial mothers receive a support award,
    29.6% percent of custodial fathers receive a support award.
    46.9% of non-custodial mothers totally default on support
    26.9% of non-custodial fathers totally default on support
    Nearly half of women will default on child support.
    Just over a quarter of men will.
    Sources.
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/marriag...rce_tables.htm
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/marriage-divorce.htm
    http://fatherhood.about.com/od/fathe...In-America.htm
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3535586.html
    http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/en...-20130314.html

    Data analysis suggests that women who fail to pay all of their child support are incarcerated only one-eighth as often as men with similar violations. Several possible explanations of these results other than gender bias are unsupported by the data, strengthening the view that gender bias against fathers is a major factor in the family courts.
    A new report concludes that between 95% and 98.5% of all incarcerations in Massachusetts sentenced from the Massachusetts Probate and Family Courts from 2001 through 2011 have been men. Moreover, this percentage may be increasing, with an average of 94.5% from 2001 to 2008, and 96.2% from 2009 through 2011. It is likely that most of these incarcerations are for incomplete payment of child support
     
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    They make good money and have health care- and security

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    do you always make unsubstantiated generalized claims of what your political opposites believe?

    Most liberals I know are all for legalization of most forms of "vice", thereby eliminating vast swathes of the criminal underworld, improving the health and welfare of sex workers, eliminating drug violence and deaths, while generating huge amounts of revenue.

    Hmm, less crime, better lives, more money. Yep definitely something conservatives can whole heartedly oppose.
     
  8. munter

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    that;s not quite true, because most libs and fem socialists want to 'decriminalize' only - that's not the same thing.

    IN this case the woman can hook but the male john is still a criminal - Ie: not legalisation, but just a fancy PC trick
     
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    and of course you have the stats as evidence that "most libs and fem socialists want to 'decriminalize' only" don't you?
     
  10. munter

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    check out lib sites such as revleft, or mumsnet - full of socialists and lib fems who feel this way
     
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    I asked you to provide the evidence not what a particular web site has to say.
     
  12. munter

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    there is some hard evidence - the recent 'Socialist' governments of France, Canada and Iceland have pushed in laws such as these - ones that allow the women to hook but the male punters to be prosectued
     
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    what about equality under any form of Socialism? decriminalization should apply to Persons not just genders.
     
  14. ryobi

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    ...but that would be equality :roll:
     
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    indeed it should, but men are considered the exploiters here if they are paying women, men on men seems to be fine though
     
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    now you know why we need socialism to bailout capitalism.

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    so, i guess it isn't about men "trying to make it up to women" by paying them a higher wage than the non-porn sector?
     
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    it's not about wages, because the fems don't believe that men can sexually exploit each other - iow: hypocrisy as usual from these women
     
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    why do women keep complaining the non-porn sector may be exploiting them and paying them less than men?
     
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    Isn't it pretty widely accepted that women sex workers make more money than men sex workers???
     
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    This is the fallacious 'wage gap' - the one in which the CEO male earns more than the female. But when have you ever seen a dual wage rate advertised? Certainly not at place like MacD's that's for sure.

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    It's most likely, this is why legalisation is required - in order to increase the supply of female workers and hence introduce equality.
     
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    sure. i don't complain about equal work for equal pay in the porn sector.
     
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    I have only noticed that women complain about equal work for equal pay in the non-porn sector.
     
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    But you complain about it in other industries. Why is that??? If feminism stood for equality shouldn't feminists be concerned about inequality whichever gender might be the recipient of that inequality????
     
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    lol, of course not! because feminism is merely about empowering a special interest group
     
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    Evidence?

    Canada - Prostitution in Canada is legal as there are no laws prohibiting the exchange of sex for money or other consideration. On the 20th December 2013, the Supreme Court of Canada found the laws prohibiting brothels, public communication for the purpose of prostitution, and living on the profits of prostitution to be unconstitutional. The ruling gave the Canadian parliament 12 months to rewrite the prostitution laws with a stay of effect so that the current laws remain in force. Amending legislation was introduced in June 2014.

    On October 25, 2012, the Supreme Court of Canada granted leave to appeal and cross-appeal the Ontario Court of Appeal Bedford decision.[9] The court also granted the motion to stay the Ontario Court of Appeal decision until judgement is passed, meaning that the Criminal Code sections at stake were still in-force in Ontario. Chief Justice Beverley McLachlan wrote:

    These appeals and the cross-appeal are not about whether prostitution should be legal or not. They are about whether the laws Parliament has enacted on how prostitution may be carried out pass constitutional muster. I conclude that they do not. I would therefore make a suspended declaration of invalidity, returning the question of how to deal with prostitution to Parliament.

    In a decision dated 20 December 2013, the Supreme Court of Canada struck down the laws in question. They delayed the enforcement of their decision for one year—also applicable to the Ontario sections—to give the government a chance to write new laws.

    Peter MacKay the Minister of Justice introduced amending legislation, C-36 the "Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act" on June 4 2014 - http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=6646338&File=33#3

    Extracts ;

    Offences in Relation to Offering, Providing or Obtaining Sexual Services for Consideration

    15. (1) The portion of subsection 213(1) of the Act before paragraph (a) is replaced by the following: - 213. (1) Everyone is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction who, in a public place or in any place open to public view, for the purpose of offering, providing or obtaining sexual services for consideration.

    (2) Subsection 213(1) of the Act is amended by adding “or” at the end of paragraph (a), by striking out “or” at the end of paragraph (b) and by repealing the portion after paragraph (b).

    (3) Section 213 of the Act is amended by adding the following after subsection (1):
    - (1.1) Everyone is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction who communicates with any person — for the purpose of offering or providing sexual services for consideration — in a public place, or in any place open to public view, that is or is next to a place where persons under the age of 18 can reasonably be expected to be present.

    So your estimation of "laws such as these - ones that allow the women to hook but the male punters to be prosectued " as far as Canada is concerned are incorrect.
     

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