For The Anti Homosexual Members

Congratulations you win the prize for the "most smoke blown out of ones own arse"

 

Pure BS.

There have been over 30,000 same sex marriages, and just a few lawsuits. Heterosexual couples file lawsuits all the time that are injurious to
businesses. Hell, bet you can't even count the number of lawsuits Trump has brought against the businesses.

It's asinine to base your entire argument over gay rights on the action of one gay couple.

Asinine.

 

I read your post- and pointed out your ignorance of statistics- and yes- I cited the same 'authority' you cited- to show how wrong you were.

So obviously you can't even distinguish between 'same sex couples' and the overall population of gays in America.

Of course there would be few 'same sex couples' in your area- they would risk losing their family, their friends, their church and their jobs if anyone knew they were a couple- legally or informally.

That has nothing to do with 'concentration'.

For an actual study of gay demographics check out this report
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.ed...s-sep-2014.pdf

Depending on which poll you refer to- Gallup/NHIS/GSS- the difference between one region and another ranges from as low a .5% to a high of 1.1%.

According to Gallup- the Midwest is the least populated by self identifying homosexuals- with percentages ranging from 1.6% to 3.8%

Yes you have homosexuals in your circle of acquantances- they just make sure that they don't let the bigots know that they are gay.

 

Who and where are these mysterious people?

We know that there are many who feel exactly that way about homosexuals- but I am not aware of any who feel that way about religious people. Certainly they are a mysterious tiny minority if they exist at all- unlike the vocal minority that want homosexuals to go back into the closet that the religious insisted they be in.

 

Tolerance is actually very easy- but religious conservatives still are not willing to be 'tolerant' towards homosexuals- we see that now from the way Christians are acting towards anyone who supports tolerance and acceptance of gays, ranging from Christian crucifixion of gay couples who dare to legally marry to the Christians who demanded that homosexuals be fired for being in an Advertisement campaign.

What gay Americans have done is in a few isolated cases- demand that business's follow the law.

Christians feel deeply threatened by this.

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No- the fact remains that you are not aware of knowing any gay people. That you believe that means that you do not know any gay people is statistically unlikely and just an article of faith for you.

 

Have 'gays' called for making being a Christian illegal? Have 'gays' called for the imprisonment of Christians? Have gays actively worked to pass laws to prevent Christian couples from marrying?

The answer to all of those questions is 'no'.

The 'Christian persecution' you imagine is no more than Christians who have been used to persecuting homosexuals in America, now being expected to follow the law.

By the way- throughout America, it is illegal for a gay employer to fire a person for being a Christian. In most of the country- it is perfectly legal for a Christian employer to fire a person for being gay.

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How does anyone force someone to watch a youtube video?

 

You are going to cite population for regions as broad as "mid-west" and claim that gays are evenly distributed across the entire "mid-west"?

Its obvious gays are not evenly distributed across the nation, no study shows that they are, not even your links. And where gays are concentrated, they are a tiny minority. Even in a city such as San Francisco, I'll bet gays are concentrated in certain parts of the city.

You can claim everyone knows a gay person all day long, its total BS.

 

I don't see why your "knowing" any gay person has any relevance. The term know can have several valid definitions from simple observation to couplex relationships; using known degrees of separation methodology and population statistics, saying you have never met a homosexual is exceedingly small while you having a personal relationship with one is possible.

You are basically admitting you have no experience or valid viewpoints, Instead only talking points.
Seems to be typical with most individuals who are anti-gay.

 

I'm not challenging or asking why people believe in God, I'm asking why God doesn't approve of homosexuality. Is a reason ever given? Honest question not being combative.

Can you give specific examples? In what ways is religion being eliminated from "public square" or public life? How are gay advocates responsible for this?

Just a reminder that homosexuals and transgender people were also slaughtered in the holocaust. Gay people are still killed in many places, including the US. Gay people have and still are persecuted by religious people at times, although not as badly you're right (in the US anyway, not so in countries like Uganda). The wounds are still fresh, so that is why you see little pity for those that caused the LGBT community so much pain. Wounds heal and people move on with time though.

And here we agree! It took some back and forth, but we made it. I don't have to like your beliefs and you don't have to understand or condone my lifestyle, but we must respect our differences and let the other exist as they are, and that includes not infringing on each other's rights. If we agree on that, then I think people from both sides could learn to as well.

 

Statistics say that the average person knows many gay people- it doesn't say that the average person knows that they are gay.

You counter that with.....'nu-uh'!.......LOL.....

 

That's ludicrous - claiming everyone unknowingly encounters a person who is gay is not an argument, its not factual, its pure hypothesis. Its like claiming everyone encounters a ghost that they cannot see and has no impact on their lives and whose presence cannot be demonstrated, the ghost is literally and figuratively a ghost. You might as well claim 50% of the nation is gay. Your argument is absurd.

 

Why did God create humans to be heterosexual, and design them so male and female would pair and become one? I cannot read God's mind, I don't have a good answer for that question. Maybe because we are created in Gods image and God is heterosexual?

Immediately after the Obergefell decision, gay activists called for churches which would not perform a gay wedding, to lose their tax exempt status.

Accomodation law is used to target Christian people who assert their beliefs in their private business - not all people, just Christians. You have probably heard of the Christian baker in Colorado who refused to provide a wedding cake for a gay wedding. You probably have not heard of the Colorado bakery (Azucar Bakery) who refused to make a cake with Bible versus on the cake. Both bakeries are in Denver, both were taken to court last year, the Christian baker was convicted and forced to pay a fine and do some other work, the baker who refused to put Bible versus on the cake was found innocent. Same court, same accusations, different outcome - there is no equality under the law in Colorado.

Then there are the numerous cases of people who do not support the gay lifestyle, and who are attacked by the gay mob. These people have done nothing wrong, nothing illegal, but are targeted and destroyed. Brendan Eich was destroyed for participating in a political process, he still cannot get a job because employers are afraid of the gay mob.

Gay activists drive the mob.

So you admit gays are out for revenge. They have sunk to the level of the people they accuse of hating and persecuting? The gays have become what they fought against.

Did David and Jason Benham, who had their DIY TV show canceled because their father is a preacher who believes homosexuality is a sin, do anything to cause the LGBT community "pain"?

Did Brendan Eich, who in his professional life at Mozilla had never been accused of being anti-gay, who had a record of supporting diversity and gay rights in the workplace, who kept his personal beliefs separate from his professional actions, deserve to be destroyed because he believed gay marriage was wrong?

Did the owner of Memories Pizza, who stated he believed homosexuality was a sin in answer a theoretical question (but who had catered gay activities), deserve to have his life threatened and have to go into hiding for over a week?

The list of innocent people who gays targeted, harassed, threatened (and their families were threatened), is long.

And guess what? That has always been my position. I have stated it in this forum many times, over several years.

I don't have a problem with people who are gay, or LGBT, or believe in little green men from Mars, or are atheists, as long as they live their lives and leave me alone.

But gays have a problem with Christians. All the gays have to hear is that a person is a Christian or that a person believes homosexuality is a sin, and the gay hate comes out in force. The gays attitude is the problem.

 

Amen...

 

A church is exempt, just as they are exempt with preforming interactial marriages.

Yes, we have all heard this lie - anti-gay members love parroting this false narrative, Except one baker offered to make the cake sans any writing, they even went as far as to offer a pipet with icing for free to the Christian activist requesting purposely inflammatory messages - while the other bakery said get out, we don't serve your kind. I see how you could think these are similar cases. No one is falling for the false storys besides the people that already dislike homosexuals, you just look like a liar.

When a company representatives words reflect negatively on the image of a national company they are going to distance themselves from them.

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No he did not, in this case you have a completely valid point. The people that threatened him should have been charged.

Not really, it's actually realitivly short (you have listed most of them here), now if you want to see a long list look up crimes against homosexuals - they were not just threatened - they were beaten, imprisoned, and killed for simply existing. Your right, baking a cake is much more damaging.

No one cares what anyone believes, actions however - I don't think homosexuals or their supporters are going to take discrimination any longer and they are picking up more public support by the day.

Your lies and mischaracterizations do nothing but hurt your cause, I hope you continue them

 

I gave you the statistics- you want to claim you are a statistical anomaly- fine with me.

But statistics say you are far more likely to unknowingly know a homosexual than you don't know any at all.

 

You have made this claim before- and you 'gay activists' turned out to be a financial advisor who had an op ed in the New York Times suggesting all non-profits lose their tax exempt status- not just those who refused to marry a gay couple in the church.

And his point- which was interesting- was that why do Churches and other non-profits need protection from taxes in order to 'be in the public square'?

 

Azucar Bakery- was another Christian Baker- both bakers are Christians- yet you only mention that one of them is.

Same court, same accusations, different outcome - there is no equality under the law in Colorado.

Different circumstances- which led to a different outcomes
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ry-wins-right-to-refuse-to-make-anti-gay-cake

The baker said "in the same manner [she] would not accept [an order from] anyone wanting to make a discriminatory cake against Christians, [she] will not make one that discriminates against gays," according to the decision.

"The evidence demonstrates that [Silva] would deny such requests to any customer, regardless of creed," the civil rights agency's decision stated.

"We were not morally right but also legally right," Silva told 7NEWS on Saturday. "It's been a roller coaster. I had so much support and I'm so thankful.

 

First of all- I think the backlash against Brendan Eich was unwarranted- I don't think that people should be targeted for their campaign contributions- though this is a tactic Christians have used for years.

Secondly- 'gay mob'? The movers and shakers of the campaign to 'fire' Eich were Mozilla employees and the dating site OKCupid- no gay organization called for his resignation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miche...and-how-homophobia-gets-a-pass_b_5239389.html

The dating site OKCupid, another company, used its free speech within the free market to advise its users not to use Mozilla's browser, Firefox. Mozilla developers -- many of whom donate their time -- and Mozilla employees expressed their concern about having this man as their CEO. All of that was enough for the company to see Eich as a liability, and he saw that too. The free market worked, rather than anyone intervening or any pressure group demanding he go.

Finally- Eich can't get employed?

Eich is the CEO of Brave Software, an internet security company which has raised $2.5 million in early funding from angel investors.[4][32] The company's co-founder is Brian Bondy, who worked on Firefox and Khan Academy. The company's employees include Marshall Rose, a network protocol engineer, and Yan Zhu, who worked on SecureDrop and Tor.

 

Most gays are Christians. It is Christians- a vocal minority of Christians- who have problems with homosexuals.

It isn't homosexuals that preach that Christians are bad or sinful- it is Christians who preach that homosexuals are.

It isn't homosexuals working to pass laws to discriminate against homosexuals- that is again- Christians working to pass laws to discriminate against homosexuals.

EVERY single thing you accuse the 'gay mob' of doing- Christians have been doing and continue to do in a broader, and more substantial way- against homosexuals and business's perceived as being 'too gay friendly'.

 

Did Ellen Degeneres, who had the Christian group Million Mom's calling for a boycott of Target to get her fired, do anything to cause the Christian community pain?

Personally- I think that calling for boycotts is a serious waste of time and usually counter productive regardless of whether the target is Christian or gay.

What about you?

Do you object to calls for boycotts and actions by Christians against homosexuals and business's perceived as being too 'gay friendly?

 

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/11/...pher-so-he-donated-her-1500-deposit-to-glaad/
Woman fires wedding photographer- because he has photographed same sex weddings.

Catholic Church makes employees agree not to support LGBT rights in employment contracts- or be fired.
Richard Hague ended 45 years teaching in Catholic education after refusing to sign the Cincinnati archdiocese's contract that explicitly bans employees from publicly supporting LGBT rights. In a letter, Hague said, "I simply cannot believe that Jesus would require me to condemn my friends."

Public school fires teacher for being gay
A Kanawha County judge determined she was actually fired because she is gay.

Franklin Graham- son of Billy Graham- and prominent Christian leader- tells followers to boycott Wells Fargo- because they have lesbians in a commercial- and any other LGBT friendly business's

The Christian organization One Million Mom's called upon JC Penny to fire Ellen Degeneres and its followers to boycott Ellen- because she is an 'open homosexual'

Christian leader tells their members they shouldn't attend any gay wedding- even of their own son or daughter.

Seattle mayor gets death threats simply for being gay.
http://mynorthwest.com/11/2435805/M...-against-Seattle-mayor-socialist-councilwoman

Houston's mayor received death threats for being gay

NYC Mayoral candidate received death threats for being gay- and running for mayor.

A leading Christian group convinces GOP legislators to vote down repealing Lousiana's law criminalizing gay male sex.

An American Christian group promotes the criminalization of homosexuality in Jamaica, Belize, and India.

Who indeed are the 'bullies' and who are the 'bullied'?

 

Got anything to match this:

A gunman singled out Christians, telling them they would see God in “one second,” during a rampage at an Oregon college Thursday that left at least nine innocent people dead and several more wounded, survivors and authorities said.

“[He started] asking people one by one what their religion was. ‘Are you a Christian?’ he would ask them, and if you’re a Christian, stand up. And they would stand up and he said, ‘Good, because you’re a Christian, you are going to see God in just about one second.’ And then he shot and killed them,” Stacy Boylen, whose daughter was wounded at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore., told CNN.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/

 

The shooter was gay? I must have missed where that was reported.
If not - what does this have to do with which group has been the bully between Christians and homosexuals,

No one is suggesting Christians have never endured violence; it's just pathetic that after harassing stigmatizing and criminalizing homosexuals, Christians are now losing their minds over a cake.

 

A Texas dad disgusted with his daughter’s lesbian lifestyle murdered the young woman and her lover, the girl’s mother said in a shocking twist to a gruesome case

http://myfox8.com/2014/12/13/nc-church-members-indicted-for-allegedly-kidnapping-beating-gay-man/

SPINDALE, N.C. – A grand jury has indicted five members of a North Carolina church for allegedly kidnapping and beating a man because he’s gay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnByMXrdvbY
\Christian Parents Beat Their Daugther to Death for God


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/dad-killed-daughter-lesbian-lover-gay-mom-article-1.1722103

 

Wrong, it is the most radical gay activists that lost their minds over a cake.