Freddie Gray Protest Leads To Clashes With Baltimore Police

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Agent_286, Apr 27, 2015.

  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    56,871
    Likes Received:
    22,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not at all. You seem to be the only who thinks so. Anyone with any intelligence understands exactly what I am saying. You seem to think if corporations move into these crime ridden crap holes all of the problems will disappear. That is ridiculous.
     
  2. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How do you know they were over 100K>

    Yep and stop by your local trailer park and get some of those also.
     
  3. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So you think every person that is on gov't assistance doesn't want to work, I guess you would be surprised to know that many folks who are on gov't assistance in fact do have a job.

    Its quite obvious that most right wing, racist really don't have a clue when they post a lot of this Stormfront material.
     
  4. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Don't worry be happy was a #1 Jam, damned if I'll say you can slap me right here.
     
  5. bwk

    bwk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2012
    Messages:
    23,837
    Likes Received:
    2,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The problem is, with your personal attacks you have nothing to debate. If you could have disputed my claims with facts, you would have already done it. But you didn't did you ? Reality and the truth are hard pills to swallow. Personal attacks on me is the reflection of the hard pill you can't spit out, because there is nothing about this that you can logically argue in your favor. History proves that what I am saying is totally accurate. And that history is still doing the dirty work, it has always done.
     
  6. bwk

    bwk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2012
    Messages:
    23,837
    Likes Received:
    2,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well at least you admitted that corporations are not there. Which means jobs are not there. Which means problems are coming. Which means they end up as crime ridden crap holes. Imagine that! When jobs and and a way to make a living are not there, exactly what do you think is going to happen? Folks are going to take nice walks in the park smelling the flowers? :roflol:

    Thanks for feeding me my own information, which proves my point. You are the gift that keeps on giving.
     
  7. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    71,097
    Likes Received:
    90,904
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I like you, I like debating with you, but I now see your style for what it is and I believe I can even answer this post for you in a manner very similar to how you actually would.

    Me: Sharpton is too smart to actually use the words, but where he goes trouble follows. Why is that?
    You: So you don't have his actual words?


    Me: And you called him "Rev Sharpton." What church does he belong to, show me a time when he preached or gave a religious sermon.
    You: What does that have to do with any of this?

    Me: We all know you will defend Sharpton by redirecting the conversation or questioning every detail of every statement made about him.
    You: Show me when I've done that.

    Me: You won't call him a race hustler, instead you ask us to point to occasions when he did it.
    You: That's right, you should be able to back up what you say.


    Me: When that won't work you'll pull "facts" out of thin air and act as if they were common knowledge all along.
    You: That's right, they are common facts and whose fault is it if you don't know them?



    Recall, further, Sharpton’s rhetoric during the deadly 1991 anti-Semitic riots in Brooklyn’s Crown Heights section, which erupted after a seven-year-old black child named Gavin Cato had been accidentally killed by a car driven by a Hasidic Jew. At Cato’s funeral, Sharpton criticized the Jewish community and thereafter organized a series of massive, angry demonstrations which ultimately devolved into destructive bedlam. Sharpton and his supporters, of course, said that the good Reverend could not be held responsible for any of this; after all, they explained, Sharpton hadn’t made any explicit calls for violence.

    But Efraim Lipkind, a former Hasidic resident of Crown Heights who had witnessed the riots of 1991, stated the following in a July 1994 sworn deposition: “Then we had a famous man, Al Sharpton, who came down, and he said Tuesday night, kill the Jews, two times. I heard him, and he started to lead a charge across the street to Utica.”[6]

    Sharpton emphatically denied having said or done this. Perhaps he didn’t. Perhaps Mr. Lipkind was incorrect. We do know with certainty, however, that Sharpton characterized Gavin Cato’s death as being not merely the result of a car accident, but rather “the social accident of apartheid.”[7] And we do know that Sharpton challenged local Jews—to whom he derisively referred as “diamond merchants”—to “pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house” to settle the score.[8] And we do know that, stirred in part by such rhetoric and false accusations, hundreds of Crown Heights blacks took violently to the streets for three days and nights of rioting, pelting Jewish homes with rocks, setting vehicles on fire, and shouting “Jew! Jew!”[9] And we do know that Sharpton’s pathetic response to the rioting was: “We must not reprimand our children for outrage, when it is the outrage that was put in them by an oppressive system.”[10] And we do know that Sharpton, while in Israel searching for the driver who had run over Gavin Cato, likened the Jewish state to “hell.”[11] But none of this, we are presumably to believe, rises to the “chimp” cartoon’s level of insensitivity.

    Then in 1995, Sharpton and his National Action Network led an ugly, racist boycott against Freddy’s Fashion Mart, a Jewish-owned shop in Harlem, New York. The boycott started when Freddy’s owner, a Sephardic Jew named Fred Harari, announced that because he wanted to expand his own business, he would no longer sublet part of his building to the black-owned “Record Shack” run by a man named Sikhulu Shange. In response, an angry Shange threatened Harari, stopped paying rent, hired a bevy of picketers, and commenced a protracted boycott of Freddy’s. The street leader of the boycott, Morris Powell, was the head of Sharpton’s “Buy Black” Committee.

    The boycott was marked by innumerable expressions of racial hatred that somehow failed to offend Sharpton’s ostensibly sensitive heart. For example, one male boycotter, identifying himself as “Shabazz,” screamed: “Don’t shop at Freddy’s. Don’t give the [expletive] Jew bastard one dime, he doesn’t have no respect for black women.” When Freddy’s manager, Steve Brodsky, asked Shabazz why he was using such language in an obviously tense environment, the latter replied: “Go [expletive] yourself white boy, you fat bastard.”[12] On another occasion, Shabazz forced his way into the store and shouted, “I will be back to burn the Jew store down, burn, burn, burn.”[13]

    Shabazz and his fellow demonstrators took their rhetorical cue from the aforementioned Morris Powell. Pledging to ensure “that this cracker [Harari] suffers,” Powell told New York’s WWRL Radio audience that “these people” (i.e., Jews) “just sponge and parasite [sic] all for the dollar.”[14] Among Powell’s more infamous quotes was this: “Keep [going] right on by Freddy’s, he’s one of the greedy Jew Bastards killing our people. Don’t give the Jew a dime. [Expletive] the Jews.”[15]

    “These phrases,” Steve Brodsky testified to the New York Supreme Court, “were then repeated in almost chant-like fashion over the next few days by the other demonstrators.”[16] Making frequent reference to “bloodsucking Jews” and “white crackers,” the boycotters threatened to “loot and burn the Jews.”[17]

    Kareem Brunner, a black security guard employed by Freddy’s, also testified before the state Supreme Court, reporting that he personally had heard the boycotters say such things as: “Kill the crackers”; “Get the Jew bastards”; and “This block is for blacks only, get the Jew owners out.”[18] Brunner elaborated:


    “The protestors were threatening to kill all white people, calling them ‘crackers’ and [saying] that they were going to get ‘20 more (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s to loot and set fire to the merchandise both inside and outside the store’ … Whenever the police left, the protestors continued to ignore the wooden ‘horses’ the police had erected in front of the store, threatening customers up close and personal. I took these threats as directed against me personally also. I was told by them many times that I was a ‘cracker lover’ and ‘would get mine as a traitor’ [to the black race]…. Customers who came to the store, especially black customers, were likewise told that they ‘would get theirs’ for being ‘cracker lovers’ or ‘traitors.’ … On [one videotape of the boycott] you can clearly see one of the protestors gesturing as if he was striking a match and throwing it at the store. I have seen that same protestor do similar acts myself, but scream ‘burn Cracker burn’ when doing it….”[19]

    Yet remarkably, none of these comments offended the oh-so-sensitive Al Sharpton. In fact, all of this occurred under his watchful, approving eye. Pledging that “[w]e will not stand by and allow them to move this brother [Mr. Shange] so some white interloper can expand his business on 125th Street,”[20] Sharpton exhorted local blacks to join “the struggle brother Powell and I are engaged in.”[21] Just for the record, we should keep in mind that the so-called “white interloper” was the owner of the building.

    Powell’s own words gave further evidence of the close alliance that existed between him and Sharpton, and confirmed the fact that Sharpton was a central, not a peripheral, figure in the boycott. Likening Sharpton’s “position to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ,” Powell told radio audiences at various times: “Brother Sharpton is on it. We have made contact with these crackers” (i.e., Freddy’s); “We just hope the community stands by [Sharpton]”; and “I don’t know what would have happened if we didn’t have Al Sharpton there.”[22]

    Over time the picketing became increasingly violent in tone, until one of the protesters, a 51-year-old ex-con named Roland Smith, eventually shot four whites inside the store and then set the building on fire—killing seven employees. One of the dead was the aforementioned Kareem Brunner.

    Remember the foregoing quotes and facts the next time you see Al Sharpton standing before a news camera, blabbering his inevitable “outrage” over one thing or another. Remember who he is and what he has countenanced. And keep in mind that his chief accomplishment in life has been to demonstrate how even a racist, cartoonish imbecile can gain notoriety if he is simply unafraid to verbalize, unfiltered, every paranoid delusion and hateful thought that comes to his mind.


    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/articles/outragedagainsharptonrecord.html
     
  8. bwk

    bwk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2012
    Messages:
    23,837
    Likes Received:
    2,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I never said it was. I have been merely stating facts of which no one can argue. The blacks have and still are boxed in in this country, on so many fronts. And no one can mount a reasonable argument against those facts.
    I understand that your condescending attack isn't going to help your argument. That is what I understand.
     
  9. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2015
    Messages:
    12,098
    Likes Received:
    3,585
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I'm not the one with an argument or an "attack." A bit sensitive, eh? Anyhow, you are the one who has this alleged problem with "white power." Not I. :smile: I'm merely pointing out the fact that rioting and destroying and looting is not ever going to work to accomplish any goals. It's actually quite unbelievable that it even has to be explained.
     
  10. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    56,871
    Likes Received:
    22,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You have yet to answer why any company would want to move there. But agreeing that they are not does not prove the assumption you are making. We do know what is there: Democrats who have been running the place for 48 years. Or should I say running the place in the ground. You blame companies instead of the obvious. Sad.
     
  11. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    56,871
    Likes Received:
    22,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You should prove your claim about blacks being "boxed in" first. Who wants to even debate another lefty lie?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Got any proof of that? I seriously doubt it.
     
  12. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2015
    Messages:
    12,098
    Likes Received:
    3,585
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Many people who make minimum wage or even a little more are collecting some form of assistance. Sometimes it might be medical insurance or it might be food stamps. Yup, when minimum wage does not allow one to keep up with costs of living, that is what happens because those people fall within the poverty guidelines. In my area, if you are considered in poverty if you make $10.60 or less an hour, and I think that is for 3 or 4 people per family. Minimum wage here in Massachusetts is 9.00 an hour.

    We, the taxpayers, end up picking up the slack for those employers who don't pay their employees a living wage.
     
  13. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    56,871
    Likes Received:
    22,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I thought we were discussing Baltimore....what is the situation there?
     
  14. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2015
    Messages:
    12,098
    Likes Received:
    3,585
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I was just addressing your comment about your disbelief that people who work could be collecting government assistance. I googled Maryland's minimum wage, and I read that it's $8.00 an hour.
     
  15. BPman

    BPman Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,965
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0

    So how did the country manage to survive for the first approx. 150 yrs. w/o any Gov't aid to the people? End minimum wage. End all entitlements.
     
  16. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2015
    Messages:
    12,098
    Likes Received:
    3,585
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    A lot of people did without and went hungry sometimes, I'm sure. Also, a lot of people probably didn't get proper medical care, especially the poor. Of course, I wasn't alive then, so I couldn't say, and neither were you, I assume.

    End minimum wage? Lol! How foolish and thoughtless. Completely without thought. Perfect example of why I despise the right wingers and the so-called "religious" right.
     
  17. BPman

    BPman Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,965
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Really? It drives down wages. If you don't like the low wage then go someplace else. It's that simple. Stop the "I'm a poor trapped slave!" BS. You are free to move wherever you want for better money. Quit whining.
     
  18. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    56,871
    Likes Received:
    22,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Since the topic is Baltimore I figured that was implied.
     
  19. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I don't need any proof, I see single parent families where it is happening everyday. Get out of your little box and you will see it for yourself.
     
  20. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    56,871
    Likes Received:
    22,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sure you need proof. Otherwise you are making a phony claim.
     
  21. TheImmortal

    TheImmortal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2013
    Messages:
    11,882
    Likes Received:
    2,871
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Anybody can see those houses are not cheap ghetto houses.

    And np let's compare trailer parks full of white people with the ones full of blacks. And then let's compare their crime rate.
     
  22. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So are you saying that all the black folks that live in Baltimore live in cheap ghetto houses.

    Give us the comparison stat man.
     
  23. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    [video=youtube_share;PXEmq3G2vuI]http://youtu.be/PXEmq3G2vuI[/video]
     
  24. superbadbrutha

    superbadbrutha Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    52,269
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Old news.
     
  25. Agent_286

    Agent_286 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    12,889
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    0
    ......

    I suspect when every cop is forced to wear a camera when on duty, there will be some swift changes in arrests! They will not be able to go after blacks and arrest them on suspicion of something when it is not on film!! Cops will have to actively go after crimes that are actually happening, not invent them by 'suspicion only.' And they will; need to stop the 'stop and frisk' scam they use on blacks also.

    It is so sad that only deaths of blacks will bring about change that is so sorely needed.
     

Share This Page