Fulton grand jury to hear Trump case early next week

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Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis will begin presenting her 2020 elections interference case against former President Donald Trump and his allies to a grand jury early next week.

The timeline came into sharper focus on Saturday, when former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan and independent journalist George Chidi separately confirmed that they received notifications they will testify on Tuesday.

Willis has long been eyeing racketeering charges against Trump and many of his allies for their efforts to overturn Georgia’s election results between Nov. 2020 and Jan. 2021. Past racketeering cases Willis has prosecuted have taken roughly two days to present to grand juries.
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https://www.ajc.com/politics/breaki...e-early-next-week/EL7JW7LHTBGHRE2AMJ6OR6AYJ4/

OK, it's GO time....looks like "imminent" in January meant @ 8/15.. oh well, many good things are worth the wait.... We could see if this is come next week.

It's not in this article, but I understand that unlike Jack, Fani will be indicting everybody all at once, as part of the same racketeering effort (overturning the election in Georgia), so it could be a solid list of names, reportedly > a dozen.

Gotta figure the head racketeer is on that list, but I'm almost as eager to get Giuliani on an indictment form... he was instrumental to the effort in Georgia.

Anybody wanna guess at a full list of names? Fake Electors?? Meadows?

 

From my understanding at least some of the fake electors were offered immunity in exchange for testimony so I don't think it will be ALL the "fake electors"

I give it 50/50 that Lyndsey Graham will have to retire to his fainting couch when he is indicted.

 

Yep... forgot about that....

Still interesting that 8 Ga electors have some sort of immunity while 8 don't.... Not sure how Fani sorts that out...

I do know Fani was prevented from PERSONALLY charging fake elector Burt Jones, so he seems safe this week.

I put Lil Lindsey at 25/75 for indictment UNLESS Raffensperger recorded that call too... he should have, but it probably wasn't a pre-planned call...

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“It sure looked like he was wanting to go down that road,” Raffensperger told the Washington Post’s Amy Gardner.
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Seeing how Fulton County has inmates dying in the county jail, you'd think they have bigger fish to fry...lol

 

That isn't proof of a crime...lol

 

It’s one piece of evidence. A jury will decide if the case is proven.

You’re welcome…

 

WAIT A MINUTE.........................what happened to all the glee months ago about INDICTMENTS ARE IMMINENT IN GA. She is just now taking it to a grand jury????? It's been 2 and a half years over a lousy 90 minute phone call of which she has the entire transcript. What has she been waiting for?

And what is this racketeering charge when it is an election crime that is being accused? Racketeering usually involves financial gain from a criminal enterprise on a huge scale with multiple actors involved.

"Typically, the types of crimes that are prosecuted under the Georgia RICO Act are complex criminal schemes that involve thousands of transactions or multiple victims. To be prosecuted under Georgia RICO the underlying crimes must be acts of racketeering activity. The crimes that qualify as acts of racketeering activity are listed in OCGA 16-14-3.

https://www.poolehuffman.com/r-i-c-...and,committed by individuals and corporations.

OCGA 16-14-3
( "Pattern of racketeering activity" means:

(A) Engaging in at least two acts of racketeering activity in furtherance of one or more incidents, schemes, or transactions that have the same or similar intents, results, accomplices, victims, or methods of commission or otherwise are interrelated by distinguishing characteristics and are not isolated incidents, provided at least one of such acts occurred after July 1, 1980, and that the last of such acts occurred within four years, excluding any periods of imprisonment, after the commission of a prior act of racketeering activity; or

(B) Engaging in any one or more acts of domestic terrorism as described in subsection (a) of Code Section 16-4-10 or any criminal attempt, criminal solicitation, or criminal conspiracy related thereto.
(9)(A) "Racketeering activity" means to commit, to attempt to commit, or to solicit, coerce, or intimidate another person to commit any crime which is chargeable by indictment under the following laws of this state:

(i) Article 2 of Chapter 13 of this title, relating to controlled substances;

(ii) Article 3 of Chapter 13 of this title, known as the "Dangerous Drugs Act";

(iii) Subsection (j) of Code Section 16-13-30, relating to marijuana;

(iv) Article 1 of Chapter 5 of this title, relating to homicide;

(v) Article 2 of Chapter 5 of this title, relating to bodily injury and related offenses;

(vi) Articles 3 and 4 of Chapter 7 of this title, relating to arson and destructive devices, respectively;

(vii) Code Section 16-7-1, relating to burglary, or Code Section 16-7-2, relating to smash and grab burglary;

(viii) Code Section 16-9-1, relating to forgery in the first degree;

(ix) Article 1 of Chapter 8 of this title, relating to theft;

(x) Article 2 of Chapter 8 of this title, relating to robbery;

(xi) Code Sections 16-6-9 through 16-6-12 and 16-6-14, relating to prostitution and pandering;

(xii) Code Section 16-12-80, relating to distributing obscene materials;

(xiii) Code Section 16-10-2, relating to bribery;

(xiv) Code Section 16-10-93, relating to influencing witnesses;

(xv) Article 4 of Chapter 10 of this title and Code Sections 16-10-20, 16-10-23, and 16-10-91, relating to perjury and other falsifications;

(xvi) Code Section 16-10-94, relating to tampering with evidence;

(xvii) Code Section 16-12-22, relating to commercial gambling;

(xviii) Code Section 3-3-27, relating to distilling or making liquors;

(xix) Part 2 of Article 4 of Chapter 11 of this title, known as the "Georgia Firearms and Weapons Act";

(xx) Code Section 16-8-60, relating to unauthorized transfers and reproductions of recorded material;

(xxi) Chapter 5 of Title 10, relating to violations of the "Georgia Uniform Securities Act of 2008";

(xxii) Code Section 3-3-27, relating to the unlawful distillation, manufacture, and transportation of alcoholic beverages;

(xxiii) Code Sections 16-9-31, 16-9-32, 16-9-33, and 16-9-34, relating to the unlawful use of financial transaction cards;

(xxiv) Code Section 40-3-90, relating to certain felonies involving certificates of title, security interest, or liens concerning motor vehicles;

(xxv) Code Section 40-4-21, relating to removal or falsification of identification numbers;

(xxvi) Code Section 40-4-22, relating to possession of motor vehicle parts from which the identification has been removed;

(xxvii) Code Section 16-9-70, relating to use of an article with an altered identification mark;

(xxviii) Article 6 of Chapter 9 of this title, known as the "Georgia Computer Systems Protection Act";

(xxix) Any conduct defined as "racketeering activity" under 18 U.S.C. Section 1961 (1)(A), (B), (C), and (D);

(xxx) Article 3 of Chapter 5 of this title, relating to kidnapping, false imprisonment, and related offenses, except for Code Section 16-5-44, relating to aircraft hijacking;

(xxxi) Code Section 16-11-37, relating to terroristic threats and acts;

(xxxii) Code Section 16-5-44.1, relating to motor vehicle hijacking;

(xxxiii) Code Section 16-10-32, relating to tampering with witnesses, victims, or informants;

(xxxiv) Code Section 16-10-97, relating to intimidation of grand or petit juror or court officer;

(xxxv) Article 11 of Chapter 1 of Title 7 and Sections 5311 through 5330 of Title 31 of the United States Code relating to records and reports of currency transactions;

(xxxvi) Article 8 of Chapter 9 of this title, relating to identity fraud, and Section 1028 of Title 18 of the United States Code, relating to fraudulent identification documents and information;

(xxxvii) Code Section 33-1-9, relating to insurance fraud;

(xxxviii) Code Section 16-17-2, relating to payday loans;

(xl) Code Section 16-9-101, relating to deceptive commercial e-mail; or

(xxxx) Code Section 16-8-102, relating to residential mortgage fraud.

(B) "Racketeering activity" shall also mean any act or threat involving murder, kidnapping, gambling, arson, robbery, theft, receipt of stolen property, bribery, extortion, obstruction of justice, dealing in narcotic or dangerous drugs, or dealing in securities which is chargeable under the laws of the United States or any of the several states and which is punishable by imprisonment for more than one year.

(10) "Real property" means any real property situated in this state or any interest in such real property, including, but not limited to, any lease of or mortgage upon such real property.

(11) "RICO lien notice" means the notice described in Code Section 16-14-13.
(12)(A) "Trustee" means either of the following:

(i) Any person who holds legal or record title to real property for which any other person has a beneficial interest; or

(ii) Any successor trustee or trustees to any of the foregoing persons.

(B) "Trustee" does not include the following:

(i) Any person appointed or acting as a guardian or conservator under Title 29, relating to guardian and ward, or personal representative under Chapter 6 of Title 53 of the "Pre-1998 Probate Code," relating to the administration of estates, if applicable, or Chapter 6 of Title 53 of the "Revised Probate Code of 1998" and other provisions in such revised probate code relating to the administration of estates; or

(ii) Any person appointed or acting as a trustee of any testamentary trust or as trustee of any indenture of trust under which any bonds are or are to be issued.
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-16/chapter-14/16-14-3

So what exactly is the racketeering here?

 

What is the crime in telling a governor you believe there are fraudulent votes in the official count and requesting those counts be forensically analyzed and any fraudulent votes removed from the tabulation?

 

In case anyone isn't familiar with Fani Willis.
You're welcome!

 

'Reasons Why the Georgia Case Could Stand Out Among Trump's Legal Woes'

'Here’s what makes the Georgia case so unique.'

1. Trump couldn’t pardon himself in Georgia
2. Stalling the Georgia case could be more challenging
3. A trial in Georgia is more likely to be televised


read
https://time.com/6302461/donald-trump-georgia-indictment-fani-willis/

 

Except this is what he actually said:
I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have

You don’t “find” votes, not legitimate ones anyway

 

There ya go again.
Reinventing documented history of an hour long conversation.

 

Likely one of those...

 

Governor?? Do you know what actually happened in Georgia??

 

And certainly not after the SOS has certified the state.. that's a day late and 11780 votes short..

 

She was prevented from personally running the investigation on Jones. She, as the DA, does not indict (charge) anyone. That is the job of the Grand Jury. If she had someone else uncover the evidence that she presents then there is nothing stopping the Grand Jury from indicting him.https://www.gpb.org/news/2022/07/25...estigating-gop-lieutenant-governor-nominee-in



I think she sorted it out the way any DA in a Mob/Organized Crime investigation sorts it out. Those higher up get charged. Those lower on the food chain get deals of immunity for testimony against those higher up.

A recording would definitely make it more likely that Graham gets convicted but they don't need a recording to charge him. The sworn testimony of Raffensperger would be more than enough. Especially given everything else. The only thing Graham could do would be to take the stand himself to refute the testimony about the phone call. Putting the defendant on the stand to testify is a last ditch effort because it is far too easy to catch them in some lie while under oath, especially if they are actually guilty.

 

All good points.. I know she doesn't indict anybody, but she can't even present Jones. Sort of a ticky tack ruling, since anybody else can with stuff she uncovered..

 

"Clear" as a bell.

@bruce_steiner

Trump is not being indicted in the middle of his campaign Trump is campaigning in the middle of his indictments Is everybody clear on this?




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Abso-f**king-lutely clear.

That is absolute GOLD.

 

A reminder that the Special Grand Jury heard previously undisclosed audio of Trump's calls with Georgia officials.


'EXCLUSIVE: Behind the scenes of Trump grand jury; jurors hear 3rd leaked Trump call'

'They also divulged details from the investigation that had yet to become public.'

"One was that they had heard a recording of a phone call Trump placed to late Georgia House Speaker David Ralston in which the president asked the fellow Republican to convene a special session of the Legislature to overturn Democrat Joe Biden’s narrow victory in Georgia.

One juror said Ralston proved to be “an amazing politician.”

The speaker “basically cut the president off. He said, ‘I will do everything in my power that I think is appropriate.’ … He just basically took the wind out of the sails,” the juror said. “‘Well, thank you,’ you know, is all the president could say.”

Ralston, who died in November, and other legislative leaders did not call a special session. A former Ralston aide declined to comment for this story, and a Trump campaign spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

Ralston had previously told a North Georgia media outlet that he was contacted by Trump and his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani in December 2020, but the existence of a tape had not been previously known.

There are at least two other recorded phone calls between Trump and Georgia officials from that period. The president’s now-infamous January 2021 conversation with Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger was quickly leaked. Audio of his December 2020 call with Frances Watson, then an investigator with the secretary of state’s office who was conducting an audit of absentee ballots in Cobb County, also surfaced publicly.urtis Compton/AJC

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https://www.ajc.com/politics/exclus...-trump-grand-jury/6CXLKTFMKNDU7O6TER4B7UTZPE/
https://www.ajc.com/politics/fulton...m-ajcs-interviews/5NANDUFZK5ALJM77YEZQ7QA7JE/

 

I'm jiggy with that (Is that still a thing)?

Clear cut case of CWI - Campaigning While Indicted

Should be another interesting week... I'm playing golf on Wednesday, so I hope we have the full indictment document(s) in hand by Tuesday PM...

(That picture makes it easier to imagine what's under that rat's nest he calls hair.... I'm going pretty much like the guy directly behind him, who is clearly comfortable in his masculinity)

 

This may be a reminder, or it may be new for some of you.... This certainly hasn't gotten the attention of the BR phone call, but it certainly sounds attached to the racketeering

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Investigators in the Georgia criminal probe have long suspected the breach was not an organic effort sprung from sympathetic Trump supporters in rural and heavily Republican Coffee County – a county Trump won by nearly 70% of the vote. They have gathered evidence indicating it was a top-down push by Trump’s team to access sensitive voting software, according to people familiar with the situation.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-prosecutors-messages-showing-trump-100438638.html

Typical move from the stable geniuses... illegally access a county voting system you won by 70% to prove the election was stolen.... It would sound really stupid if we didn't consider the participants...

 

I won't guess, I will let the Grand Jury decide on who those names are. When the indictment does come, those names will not be on the indictment per se, but in the paperwork and we will know eventually through legal sleuthing. The only names will be Trump and any codefendants and I too am not guessing because many of them may be state witnesses and not codefendants such as Guiliani.

If they indict, this will be the fourth indictment, the second state indictment, the Fulton Co DA is going to play this very close. I don't think the DA is going to jeopardize this case at all. Trump and his defense team will try to squash the indictment, the judge, and the DA again even though they lost the first time. Trump will also try to delay as much as possible, but I don't see this until late 2024, long after the nominations for President by their respective political parties are decided. And since this is state, not federal, Trump cannot pardon himself on this one. Further, we will know the outcome of at least two trials, possibly a third before this one goes to trial.

 

Because the laws for you are not the same as the laws for me.
Also, since state prosecutions are both being brought by black DA's, the racial animus cannot be ignored in today's woke society. The charges are ala' Kamela Harris rule book... charge the moon and hope to get promoted when you have proven you can fail hard enough to get kicked up to Biden's federal level.