Gay rights bill heads for first hurdle in Senate

For sales, I would not. For positions which do not interface the public, it wouldn't matter what he looked like. "Looking ridiculous" is subjective, and if you find men dressed like women ridiculous... well... there you have it.

My position is to promote business, not alienate clients because you think clients should just adore them.

This would be like sueing sports illustrated for not selecting a tranny to shoot for the swimsuit edition. No... you do not get to determine how my company advertizes. I don't care to lie about the reason. I would rather discuss it before hand... I am not fond of the pass it to see what's in it philosophy.

Would anyone be willing to strip making social fashion dissenters a protected class, and leave in the rest?

I mean a person who chooses to cross dress outside of work should be protected... but... work is all business.

 

You bring up an interesting point which leads me to a more interesting point...

I don't think that you should fire or not hire someone because they speak effeminately. If they are not gay... they have no protection. Because someone speaks effeminately does not make one gay, so if you can fire someone you do not know is gay for being "effeminate" what is the point?

 

Nonsense. Nobody 'owns' a job. Employers should be able to fire people because they don't like your looks... it's their job and their money paying your salary.

Gays demand special, not equal, treatment.

 

Executive order by Obama for LGBT...WOO HOO!!!

 

Silly post.
The Christmas party. Everyone brings their significant other. Is the gay couple saying "look at me" ?
You want a double standard, and the country is leaving you behind.

 

Really, trust me... nobody cares who anybody brings to the Christmas party. A few min of whispered "I didn't know he was gay" beats 12 months of drama anytime.

Good rule: Keep your personal biz to yourself. Nobody wants to hear it

 

How is it "special rights" if the protected class is sexual orientation? No one is proposing that only gays be covered.

And employers shouldn't be allowed to sack people for simply being who they are.

 

Only as much as straights need to keep their personal biz to themselves. Is that what you want? Everyone hiding their lives in the closet? Are you willing to do the same?

 

Not only am I willing, its my personal philosophy. Never thought of it as hiding in the closet. More like minding my own business and expecting others to mind theirs.

Why do you think its so important for gays to tell everybody they're gay? Is it like a need for acceptance or what?


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You always like to twist it this way.

No, it is about not being afraid for your job if someone asks you about it and you answer.

 

That isn't the point at all. No one is pushing for that. PDA's are the failings of many people, gay and straight. But we all deal with it. But they should be able to have pictures on the desk, where their wedding rings, go to functions and not be ostracized by cro-magnons that are too infantile to deal with people that are different from them.
That would be nice, don't you think?

 

I cant imagine anyone asking... not the type of thing most people want to hear about.

Do you think its wise to tell before you're asked? Seems to me its better for everybody involved to keep ones sexual preferences out of the workplace.

 

I tell you, the problem is those heterosexuals. Always talking about their boyfriend or girlfriend; wearing a wedding ring; putting pics of their spouse on their desks; flaunting their sexuality in front of others. Why can't they just hide it? How dare they hold hands in public, give each other a kiss on the cheek, refer to each other as "dear" or "honey"?

DISGUSTING!!

well, not really. Anymore than it is inappropriate for same sex couples to follow the same behaviours. Do I roll my eyes when someone shows off the big engagement ring they just got? Sure. But I would do that regardless of the gender of the people getting engaged.

The problem isn't gay/lesbians bringing their lovers to the party, having the pics on their desk, talking about how they went on a trip over the weekend, talking about their kids' play. The problem is bigots.

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Seriously? you wouldn't hire this woman because she might have a penis under her dress?
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/02/10990928-transgender-beauty-queen-allowed-to-compete-in-miss-universe-canada

Does she really look ridiculous?

 

So...you have no pics of your significant other at work, you don't wear your wedding ring, do I have that right? (See the above posts).

And yes, people do ask all the time. Co-workers can and do become friends, ya know.

 

You want to argue "well what if he looks hot".

Dudes in drag look ridiculous to me. "I'm just born that way". The question was... what if it is OBVIOUSLY a man in a dress? What legal recourse do I have to tell the truth, and not hire this person who will cost me money?

 

Its unbelievably rude to ask someone about their sexual preferences. Nobody has ever asked me and I doubt anybody's ever asked you.

Sounds more like wishful thinking than reality.

 

I agree completely. As I said... I take no issue with protecting gays and cross dressers from being fired for what they do in their off time. Cross dressing on the clock... that is different in my esteem. Pics of your loved ones, even pics of you in drag... no worries... but if you are trying to suggest that there is some subjective measure of "passable" as a woman in the law... you are not being truthful. Either you have to hire obvious trannys or you have to lie about it. I think it is a reasonable ask that this part be stripped.

 

I guess you're single then. Hard to date if no one knows your preference, much less marry.

One time I went with a friend to a woman's musical festival. Wasn't really thinking about it; my husband couldn't make it, so my (female) friend and I went. Turns out most women attending were lesbian - which was no big deal for me. But I felt like I should be wearing a sign saying "I'm straight" so they wouldn't make assumptions about me. Then it occurred to me - day in, day out, people assumed all these women were straight. That must be just as uncomfortable as what I was feeling. To think I couldn't mention my partner because they weren't the correct gender? that would have been awful. Not saying any of the women at the music festival would have made me feel uncomfortable; but if someone can't be honest at work about who their at home partner is - horrible.

I later went to a concert by Judy Fjell; took my husband. Think he was the only guy in the audience, but he was cool and no one made us feel uncomfortable.

 

Well, no... but I remember a situation where a busybody was constantly trying to set up a gay guy with people... he originally agreed to go on one date rather than expose himself. This turned out to be a mistake because she had a big busybody book of lonely divorcees... so he eventually just said "look... I'm gay".

I will also say that working out of offices headquartered in Mountain View, CA... a conversation could barely take place with the gays without it revolving around something to do with their gayness... and that was particularly annoying. "We get it... you are gay... the novelty has worn off". So I would like stricter guidelines on such discussions of sexuality, gay or straight or whatever, to be protected for employers to implement if they see fit. I think we have to have all met gay folk for whom being gay is the most interesting subject. Someone should be able to address such conduct without fear of litigation because the unacceptable discussion happened to be about homosexuality.

 

One of my fav places for happy hr is a lesbian bar called Sue Ellens. Never worried one way or the other whether people thought I was gay or not. Nobodys business but mine... and my partner.

 

ITA. As a supv, one of my emps was gay and I'll never forget a trip we took where I was a captive audience on a 3 hr plane ride. For some reason, he decided I needed to know secret signals gays send each other... like a bandana in the left pocket means they're into one thing... in the right, something else.

Longest plane ride of my life.

 

Well, you'd be wrong. I've been asked at probably just about every job I've ever had. I don't know why you would think it's "wishful thinking". It's just part of life. And unless you've spent your entire career in a basement all alone working, I find it difficult to believe no one has ever asked you a personal question of that nature.

 

Really? Maybe I misunderstood... people actually asked if you prefer having sex with men or women?

No, I can truthfully say in over 30 yrs of working, nobody has ever asked me that question.

Maybe its that bandana in your back pocket?

 

More ammo for professional victims.

This does nothing for normal homosexual people because, contrary to what liberal fear and hate mongers would love for you to believe, normal homosexual people aren't victims.

All this does is sets loose the self serving special interest attack dogs so they can extort power and money.

 

"Let" ? "Hate" ?

Hell, as we so often see in the news anymore gays are protesting and threatening businesses to the point they close their doors... over simple things like not making a cake for a gay wedding because they don't agree with it.

No hate from the business..... just from the gays.

They don't "let" anything happen. They force as much of it on businesses as they can.