George found not guilty .

Thank you to you and Eighty Duce for providing this Florida Statue. The fact is that these Statues (776.032, 776.012, 776.013 and 776.031) deal with "Stand your Ground(SYG)". Unfortunately, this is not a clear cut SYG case. Many observers have blasted Zimmerman's defense team for not pushing the SYG issue during the Criminal Trial. In hindsight this was a brilliant move. Prior to the Criminal Trial, the state was going to hold a SYG hearing earlier in the process. The Defense team moved to squash the hearing. If they had allowed the hearing, and lost, it would have tainted the criminal proceedings. But to hold off until after the criminal trial allowed the Defense to secure an Acquittal before having the hearing. Now if the Martin family were to file a Civil Suit, they can push for a SYG hearing.

Additionally, if Zimmerman is allowed Immunity under the statues that you provided it does not mean that he can not be sued. It only means that if he wins a Civil Trial, he will be entitled for reimbursement from the of legal fees and his time off to deal with the issue.

I am not arguing with you about the fact that there is no grounds for a Federal Case here. I am merely pointing out that the DOJ could try to create one where in absence of facts. You have the President, Harry Reid, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and the President of the NAACP are all pushing Holder to do just that. Holder himself has shown that the word of law does not matter in cases where he can claim racism.

 

Thank you for providing the statues. Please read my response to Bluesguy. It covers this issue.

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/311201-george-found-not-guilty-76.html#post1062869956

 

Last night in an interview Alan Dershowitz, who is no conservative by any means, stated that the DA that brought this Zimmerman case should be prosecuted. That U.S. citizens need protection from Prosecutors that bring cases against citizens for political reasons. People need to listen to this man about his case.

 

Which deed? Martin attacking Zimmerman, pinning him to the ground and beating him?

 

Angela Corey needs to fall on the sword and admit she felt threatened by the blacks.

 

Yep, sums it up.

 

Zimmerman's duty to retreat was cut off when Martin sat on him to prevent his escape.

 

??????? The law allows one to defend our self from thug attacks , female , male , black , white . The law does not say goerge has to take an ass whupping instead of using gun . What if a female was in his place ? 80 year old man ? Would they be expected to let the thug bash their head too ? Think about it . Deal with it .

 

I believe that because prosecutors are almost always trying slam dunk cases that they get an over inflated ego and a way too unrealistic opinion of their own legal skills. When presented with a harder to prove case and a capable defense they are like a fish out of water reduced to shouting obscenities. BDLR's opinion of himself is analogous to the Harlem Gloobtrotters thinking that they could beat even the worst NBA team because if their success against the Washington Generals.

 

What is so ironic about this case is that in their (their meaning Obama's DOJ, MSM, NAACP and other civil rights radicals) search to find a white on black crime with a firearm, they couldn't even find a "white" person to target. George Zimmerman is 1/8 black and part Hispanic. In the vernacular of the black culture, Zimmerman is "black". Good example: Obama - He is half white but yet thinks of himself as black along with all of the black, media and entertainment cultures.

In retrospect, this was just another black on black killing that happens every day in the inner cities that goes unreported nationally. Second Amendment rights advocates (Mostly White people) that commit crimes of any kind are almost non existent. Zimmerman just happened to be fairly light skinned to his misfortune.

 

No, clone*. Deliberately wrong for trolling purposes, no doubt.


* Yet another poster with Obama avatar and political message in location field.

 

Yes, the referee was on his way, but these guys decided to provoke each other to an altercation before he got there.

 

So you are OK with the intentional vicious assault and Battery on Zimmerman perpetrated by TRayvon Martin? NICE.

 

There is no stand your ground statute. There isnt a stand your ground statute and a retreat statute. There is only 776.012. All stand your ground kaw means is that 776.012 was amended to remove the requirement to flee.

 

NEVER said that, NOR is your lurid description based on truth in evidence. YOU LIE, clone.

 

Well then I guess you see. When the president does yap he gets into trouble and when he doesn't yap he gets into trouble. Looks like he has worked his way into a nice pile of * * * * and just can't get his way out no matter what.

And his followers are right behind him.

 

That or the (*)(*)(*)(*)-cons will always find something to complain about.

 

Well we all know the evidence showed that Martin had Zimmerman pinned down beating on him taking away his option to flee. We also all know Martin was a racist. So reasonable inferences can be drawn from there, and none of them support your assertions.

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Not each other, one punched the other in the nose breaking it, shoved the assaulted man to the ground pinning him down and continuing to beat on him. Those are the facts. The assaulted man was forced to defend himself, had a firearm, and used it. End of story.

"clone" eh? what an idiot!!!

 

My point is that fistfighting does not warrant the death penalty, nor does assault. All your speculations about a female, an 80-year-old, etc, are meaningless because you can't assume that Trayvon would have felt threatened by and thus assaulted a woman or an 80-year-old. I never claimed the law requires George to take an ass whupping, but to suggest that a 17-year-old getting shot to death for getting into a fistfight is due justice rather than a tragedy is simply twisted.

 

Again, I do not disagree with all of your points. I personally believe that Zimmerman was within his right to use deadly force in defending his life. On another topic I demonstrated that Martin was the only that demonstrated an ill will in this incident. But there are those that believe that the damage that Martin was doing to Zimmerman was not enough to leave him to in fear of death or grave bodily damage. That is the point that will have to be determined by a SYG hearing. The fact that Zimmerman was Acquitted helps, but it does not close the issue.

 

You conveniently left out the beginning of the story: Zimmy put himself in the situation. Both of these guys willingly entered the ring. Only one of them knew he had a firearm.

 

Incorrect if you stick with the evidence. Martin instigated the conflict, George just ended it. It actually highlights why people carry defensive weapons. You never know when someone may attack you unprovoked.

 

That's the great thing about Martin being dead and Zimmerman being alive. We'll never know about that 'unprovoked' part.

 

There was enough evidence to support the verdict no matter who threw the first punch. Who threw the first punch is actually an irrelevant point. When Martin decided to pin Zimmerman down and beat on him, he gave Zimmerman permission to shoot him, in effect.

 

The statue is called the "Justifiable Use of Force" Statue. But there is a SYG and a Retreat measure included in the Statue. It states that a person can use force, except deadly force, to prevent someone from using unlawful force. The use of force is known as Stand your Ground. As I pointed out, the courts was going to hold a Pre-trial Stand Your Ground Hearing, but the Defense moved to squash the hearing.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense

The Statue also states that a person can use Deadly force, and no longer has to retreat, if that person reasonable believes that it is necessary to protect from imminent death or great bodily harm. You will notice that the use of the words "reasonably believes" and "imminent" are subjective phrases. If there is not a reasonable belief that death or great bodily harm is imminent, then the individual still has a requirement to retreat. The hearing will determine whether Zimmerman's belief that death or great bodily harm was imminent was reasonable.