"Get rid of the ballots..........."

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump won’t commit to peaceful transfer of power if he loses the election

    "The president had been asked by a reporter if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power, “win, lose or draw.”

    When the reporter noted that “people are rioting,” Trump replied: “Get rid of the ballots, and you’ll have a very – you’ll have a very peaceful – there won’t be a transfer, frankly, there’ll be a continuation.”
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/23/tru...ansfer-of-power-if-he-loses-the-election.html

    What is the most obscene thing about this? That it is neither surprising, or new, or that the POTUS openly admitted he may engage in a coup to keep the presidency?

    Though what Trump says is often incoherent I assume what he means by "get rid of the ballots" is the mail-in ballots. The ones he keeps telling lies about. The ones he has constructed a false narrative about suggesting they are fraudulent. The ones he assumes will be more in favor of Biden.......so those ballots should not be counted. Comments reinforced by his bagman at the DoJ with absolutely, positively nothing to substantiate his hysterical claims.

    As we know Trump is a pathological liar. He lies all the time, about everything, all the time. However, this is a clear statement of his intention. It does not come out of the blue. As impossible as it used to be to believe there are people in the admin who are gaming out how to steal the election. Again, as impossible as it used to be to believe there are people in the admin who are gaming out how to steal the election. Get over the shock. This is happening. What will you do?


    "A lot of people, including Joe Biden, the Democratic Party nominee, have misconceived the nature of the threat. They frame it as a concern, unthinkable for presidents past, that Trump might refuse to vacate the Oval Office if he loses. They generally conclude, as Biden has, that in that event the proper authorities “will escort him from the White House with great dispatch.”

    The worst case, however, is not that Trump rejects the election outcome. The worst case is that he uses his power to prevent a decisive outcome against him. If Trump sheds all restraint, and if his Republican allies play the parts he assigns them, he could obstruct the emergence of a legally unambiguous victory for Biden in the Electoral College and then in Congress. He could prevent the formation of consensus about whether there is any outcome at all. He could seize on that uncertainty to hold on to power."
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

    If you think this is too fantastic to be believed, you're wrong. The new normal is there is no normal, just chaos.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Republicans Sue TX After GOP Guv Greenlights Expanding In-Person Early Voting For Pandemic

    "Texas, which refused to open up absentee voting during the COVID-19 outbreak, is now facing a GOP lawsuit challenging its move to expand early in-person voting for the pandemic instead.

    The Texas Republican Party, along with some GOP members of its legislature and other Republican officials, have asked the Texas Supreme Court to block the state from beginning early in-person voting a week sooner than usual.

    The lawsuit bashes Gov. Greg Abbott (R) for signing an emergency COVID-19 measure that increased by a week the time offered for early in-person voting. It alleges that, by implementing the order, Texas Secretary of State Ruth Hughes is violating the state’s election code."
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/texas-in-person-early-voting-lawsuit
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump campaign sues Nevada over mail-in ballots, asserting 'inevitable' fraud

    (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign and the national Republican Party have sued Nevada to block a new law that will send a mail-in ballot to every registered voter ahead of November’s election.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lots-asserting-inevitable-fraud-idUSKCN2512CZ

    It's the suppression of votes in plain sight.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump campaign’s election lawsuit in Pennsylvania halted

    HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A federal judge in Pennsylvania on Sunday put a high-profile election case on hold, telling President Donald Trump’s campaign that its claims must wait, at least until October, for state courts in the presidential battleground to clear up crucial fights, including over collecting and counting mail-in ballots.

    U.S. District Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan put the case on hold until Oct. 5 to see whether state courts decide, or at least narrow, the issues raised by Trump’s campaign and the national Republican Party.
    https://apnews.com/article/b4885065115e14da31d8c4a2425de6aa
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Voter fraud is a fictitious threat to the outcome of elections, a pretext that Republicans use to thwart or discard the ballots of likely opponents. An authoritative report by the Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan think tank, calculated the rate of voter fraud in three elections at between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Another investigation, from Justin Levitt at Loyola Law School, turned up 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion votes cast in the United States from 2000 to 2014. Judges in voting-rights cases have made comparable findings of fact.

    Nonetheless, Republicans and their allies have litigated scores of cases in the name of preventing fraud in this year’s election. State by state, they have sought—with some success—to purge voter rolls, tighten rules on provisional votes, uphold voter-identification requirements, ban the use of ballot drop boxes, reduce eligibility to vote by mail, discard mail-in ballots with technical flaws, and outlaw the counting of ballots that are postmarked by Election Day but arrive afterward. The intent and effect is to throw away votes in large numbers."
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Trump campaign is waging an all-out legal war to stop the expansion of vote-by-mail in 5 different states

    "As the November election nears closer, President Donald Trump has for months railed against states' attempts to expand mail-in-voting to alleviate fears associated with in-person voting during the coronavirus pandemic.

    Trump and his allies, without evidence, have for months claimed that an expansion of mail-in voting via the postal service will lead to widespread voter fraud.

    Since August, the Trump campaign has taken legal action against several states, including New Jersey, Nevada, Iowa, and Montana, over their plans to more easily allow voters to cast their ballot by mail. Last week, the president's campaign also took action against a group of six members of the Navajo Nation in Arizona, who are suing the state to extend the deadline to receive and count mail-in ballots."
    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-is-involved-in-litigation-about-voting-2020-9
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At a different time in history we could say with confidence members of the GOP would never let him get away with such a thing.

    That time has past.
     
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    WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Wednesday that he wants to ensure confirmation of a replacement for Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg by the Nov. 3 election because he expects disputes over who won the White House to be resolved by the Supreme Court.

    “I think this will end up in the Supreme Court,” Mr. Trump told reporters at a White House event on social media, adopting an argument for quick action made by his ally, Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas. “And I think it’s very important that we have nine justices,” instead of the eight seats currently filled.

    The president again asserted without evidence that Democrats were trying to rig the election and said he wants a high court that will agree with him. “This scam that the Democrats are pulling — it’s a scam — the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court,” Mr. Trump said.
    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/0...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    He is getting his proverbial ducks in a row.
     
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    Here's some evidence...and left wing non-profit was doing this in VA

    https://wamu.org/story/20/08/06/vir...ents-sent-wrong-absentee-ballot-applications/
     
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    The military and law enforcement has sworn to uphold the Constitution. There was nothing in my oath of office which said I was supposed to uphold the president.

    Likely, the Supreme Court will end up deciding this election. They will say it is time to stop counting ballots or just declare a winner. Law enforcement and the military will uphold that decision. At that time, it makes no difference what Trump does or does not say or do.

    Democrats. Get over it.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Generalissimo Trump is not actually trying to prevent mail-in balloting altogether, which he has no means to do. He is discrediting the practice and starving it of resources, signaling The Following to vote in person, and preparing the ground for post election night plans to contest the results.
     
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    Have you, by chance, actually read the law in question? Aren't you one who constantly criticizes executives who thwart the law as written? And yet, here you are, acting as if suddenly, you're all in favor of the monarchy of an executive prerogative.... Funny stuff. Really. Thanks for the laugh this morning.
     
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    This thread is an example of the Chinese and Iranian puppets working to interfere in our election on behalf of their chosen one, that the Intel Community warned us about.
     
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    There’s no false narratives. The dems are trying to CHEAT.

    In NC at the same point in 2016 there were 38,000 mail in ballots requested. This year there were nearly 700,000 requested by the same point.
    Moreover the election supervisor (put in by Roy Cooper democrat) then came out and said there’s no need and it’s not necessary to verify signatures on the mail in ballots.

    They’re trying to cheat because they know it’s the only way they can win.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Imagine my surprise that Repubs are up in arms over Abbott using emergency powers to facilitate voting due to COVID but not Trump using them to fund the wall Mexico was going to pay for.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-gave-firm-569-million-border-wall-gop-donations-2020-4
     
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    Despite your denial, Trump is cheating in real time and not being shy about it.

    (Reuters) - The North Carolina Republican political operative at the center of an absentee ballot fraud scheme that led the state to order a rerun of a congressional election was arrested and charged with obstruction of justice on Wednesday, officials said.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...harged-in-election-fraud-scheme-idUSKCN1QG2FS
     
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    Who's up in arms? I think folks just dont know if it's legal...hence the lawsuit

    We know that what Trump did with DoD funds was legal...the Court said so https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-07-31/supreme-court-trump-border-wall-construction
     
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    How's he cheating in real time?

    Your link has nothing to do with this election, or Trump...try again
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once again the master of snark is at a loss for words to explain GOP hypocrisy. Please explain to me what is so terrible about allowing for a short extension for early voting. Why do Repubs hate the idea of people exercising their right to vote?
     
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    How about everyone just goes to the polls like normal so we don't have to play these stupid games?
     
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    Of course libs are going to say it is a fictitious threat. It's hard for them to cheat if they are admitting they are cheating.
     
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    Bingo.
     
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    Agreed. They've put a shuffling zombie of a senile old political whore at the head of their ticket. The guy isn't even campaigning. How can they think they could win without cheating? They don't.
     
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