Heads have started to roll at the ATF

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  1. Hate_bs

    Hate_bs New Member

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    Ayuh,... They oughta be startin' at the Top, 'n workin' down, insteada this $h!t....

    Tranfers, 'n promotions surely ain't the answer....
     
  3. Danct

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    That's right. To heck with our Constitution and our Rule of Law. We should just arrest anyone who we don't like even if we don't have any evidence, right?

    Oh, wait,.......... I thought you were all about the Constitution and due process. ........ I guess you throw all that out the window for the sake of your ideology, eh?
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pretty sure no one said that.

    Do you have some sort of magic decoder ring or something?
     
  5. Danct

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    Really?

    He said:
    "They oughta be startin' at the Top, 'n workin' down, insteada this $h!t...."

    Anyone who knows anything about lawful investigations knows that you start at the bottom and work your way up to the top. That's how you build evidence and build a case against the top criminals. The ONLY way one could make a case against the "top" by starting at the "Top, 'n workin' down" as he said is by throwing out the rule of law and our Constitution, friend. So, yeah, I'm pretty sure he said that.
     
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    Yes really.

    Yeah and that's when you magic secret decoder ring kicked in and started talking about the constitution, and throwing due process out the window.

    Did you read the linked article? Did you know it was talking about? What makes you think anyone was talking about the constitution or the violation of due process in the context of the article that was linked?

    I obviously can't speak for him, but I do know what he said. It wasn't what you said. He was talking about firing people responsible for a massive screw up, not arresting them because he didn't like them.
     
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    Ayuh,.... That's just how she likes to post in these threads,...
    She always takes yer words, outa context, turns 'em around, 'n head off in a different direction....
    In another thread in here, she's taken my quotes to someone else, 'n tried the same ship...

    Ya know,...
    Typical Progressive Bullship....
    Stumblin', 'n bumblin' off into nowhere, all the while spewin' the party lines...

    Btw, danny dear, the investigation has been on goin', 'n it's now time for Indictments...

    Startin' at the Top, 'n workin' down....
     
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    Ha. You haven't been here long and perhaps do not know the member who I responded to (Bondo). I suspect that I know him far better than you. His post is very typical for him and I assure you he was not advising to transfer or demote the top brass because he specifically said: "Tranfers, 'n promotions surely ain't the answer". You cannot just fire someone in this country without due process. NOW do you see the connection? This member has a long history of trolling here, you should choose your friends more wisely.



    P.S. (Refer to his post below where he states: "the investigation has been on goin', 'n it's now time for Indictments...

    Startin' at the Top, 'n workin' down". [emphasis mine])

    How do you like your crow cooked?
     
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    Ayuh,.... What are you mumblin' about,..??
     
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    Due process is not needed to fire someone, especially high political appointees. Holder has his job "at the pleasure of the President".

    Check your oven. I think yours has burned.
     
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    Liberals have already expressed their want for thought police.
     
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    You aren't very familiar with appointees are you?
     
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    You wouldn't understand, but you actually confirmed my point for me.

    Thank you.
     
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    Holder would be the only one on that list. The President would of course need due process in order to be impeached. The point is that you cannot just start firing people without any solid evidence. It is not the American way and certainly not what our Rule of Law requires.

    Frankly, I'm surprised that you and others would hang their hats on such a silly and destructive concept. The logical method is to start at the BOTTOM and build a legal and logical case against whomever and wherever it leads you. The idea that we should just fire anyone who we might not like for whatever reason and with no legal basis is not only authoritarian and worthy of a dictatorship, but it is also barbaric.

    Your choice.
     
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    Yes, but not quite in the manner you might think.
     
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    A thoughtless smear without the sort of substantiations a rational thinker would expect.
     
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    Then should I assume that you support the authoritarian model espoused by others here? Evidence be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed?

    Your choice, but I'm more in favor of the democratic model
     
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    Ayuh,... If you weren't so blind to the mounting evidence, you might be able to see the rot in this administration starts at the top, 'n runs clean through it, top to bottom...

    Of course, it doesn't take much reading in this forum to understand yer blatant disregard for Anything that goes against yer progressive liberal leftist views...

    To bad yer incapable of critical thoughts of yer own, 'n you continue to spew the party talkin' points, 'n Nothing more...:fart:
     
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    Selling guns to criminals in order to invoke massive gun violence to create public fear giving the government legitimization to outlaw them is absolutely along the lines of 1984.
     
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    Are you denying that liberals want speech that can deemed offensive outlawed?

    That is thought policing. That is restricting freedom of speech. Most of all, however, it restricts open dialogue. If you're scared of being arrested for offending for someone, you can't exactly express your true opinions can you?
     
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    If you actually knew anything about American politics, you would know how stupid this statement is.

    Eric Holder is an appointed position by the POTUS. Obama can fire him because his teeth are yellow if he so desires. All Eric Holder can do, is go back to tax evasion and being a non-legitimized scumbag.

    There is nothing authoritarian about this.
     
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    ...and what point is this? You're statement was nonsense? It was, if that isn't clear to you yet.
     
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    Did I say anything about that? I was just correcting you as regards a fact. The President can fire any of his appointees (except judges) for any reason or no reason. That is a simple fact that you seemed to be ignorant of when you claimed that due process was needed for firing.

    BTW - In many states regular employees can also be fired for any or no reason.
     
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    You have made many convenient assumptions in order to arrive at your analogy. Typically, a false premise will not yield a valid conclusion.
     

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