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HHS estimates coronavirus mortality rate at 0.1%-1%

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    You start dying the day you were born
     
    squidward, Mar 7, 2020
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    Wishful thinking? Trump and his team have been doing a lot of that lately.

    The reality is that the mortality rate keeps changing as more test positive and more die.

    https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-07/why-the-coronavirus-fatality-rate-keeps-changing
     
    Sleep Monster, Mar 7, 2020
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    Hey that's exactly what I said :)

    100,000,000 infected in the US is a purely made up number, no basis in reality at all.
     
    Rugglestx, Mar 7, 2020
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I think they were hoping that people won't go out and vote
     
    Polydectes, Mar 7, 2020
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    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Since the CDC estimates that 70% of all Americans will contract the COVID-19 are you saying that 22 million Americans are going to die from this?

    .7 (or 70 percent) of the population times .09 (nine percent fatalities) times 350,000,000 people in the United States = 22,050,000 deaths

    That just isn't even possible. Numbers such as the 9% death rate should be thrown out on the lack of face validity alone.

    The CDC has even issued statements that at the beginning of any pandemic, the mortality rates are skewed to the severe because of the way in which deaths are reported and then later reclassified. I heard a CDC announcement a couple of days ago that one of the reasons so many people are worried about covid 19 is that in most instances, youth can carry the virus and be asymptomatic, thus unknowingly spreading the virus. If large segments of the population do not even know that they are infected, how can this disease have a mortality rate of 9 percent? If doesn't even seem possible, mainly because it isn't.

    Many experts are saying that COVID 19 is less deadly than the normal flu which generally only kills the most compromised individuals. There were supposedly three deaths in Washington State due to COVID 19 (Washington State health officials are now backing away from that claim) and the average age of those killed was something like 93. I suggest that these individuals were not killed by COVID 19 as much as they were killed by 93 years of life.

    There is enough hysteria surrounding COVID 19 already and we really can do without predictions of 22 million deaths. All this hysteria is doing is making the CDC and health care professionals look like buffoons. At some point a health threat, which unlike COVID 19 is real and serious, is going to raise its ugly head and no one will take it seriously. And why should they in light of swine flu, H1N1, SARS, Avian Bird Flu, African Killer Bees, fire ants, y2k, Legionaires Disease, and a whole host of other 'stampede the herd' foolishness brought to you by your health care professionals and government shepherds. Clearly this has already happened. Who knows what COVID19 is going to unleash on the United States? No one, but perhaps a plurality of Americans think this is just another baseless health scare. And predictions of 22 million dead are not making the situation any better.
     
    Lee S, Mar 7, 2020
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    22 Million seems way out of line.

    A more realistic number might be the amount of deaths attributed to the flu.
     
    Andrew Jackson, Mar 7, 2020
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    The entire paragraph in bold is so vastly different from anything I have seen that I'm going to ask for support.

    Many experts do not believe this virus is less deadly than the flu.

    There are 14 dead in Washington State and the first death was a guy in his 50s, so no idea where you got a median age of 93 and 3 dead. And I have seen zero reporting that anyone is backing away from the cause of death.
     
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    Trump supporters are the ones most likely to believe that trump meant to call this virus a hoax and to believe he is correct.
     
    MrTLegal, Mar 7, 2020
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    No. I will quote the part I wish to comment on, as I did previously. There is no dishonesty attached to doing so.
     
    excalibur26, Mar 7, 2020
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    Check the CV of the Admiral before making yourself look ridiculous.

    https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Brett_Giroir

    Then read the second article in the thread from CATO, which quotes the NY Times as well as CATO.
     
    excalibur26, Mar 7, 2020
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    There may be people who are asymptomatic? I suppose. But until we know what that number is, it's all speculation. Is the fatality rate likely lower than the raw numbers from confirmed cases of 3-4%? Yes. Does that mean it's less of a big deal than SARS or MERS? No. It's already killed about 5 times as many people as SARS because it has been more widely transmitted.

    How much it spreads is the key. If it had a 1% mortality rate, if it managed to get to every American it would be 3.25 million deaths. Not saying it will, but not taking this kind of thing seriously is stupid.

    China seems to be really slowing it down in their country, but an advantage of not being a free country is you can take more extreme measures to handle things like this. But then the economy suffers.
     
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    I don't think Trump has to worry about being nominated for his party. By super Tuesday he had 833 delegates that's the majority he is the nominee. This is about the circular firing squad known as the Democrats.

    I know orange man bad. And that's 197% of your focus. But believe it or not they more at play.
     
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    we don’t know the number of cases or much of anything since testing has been a fiasco in the US.
     
    CourtJester, Mar 7, 2020
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    ...I think you missed the point. I was not implying that trump faces any risk of not being the nominee.
     
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    On look more accusations from the left of how badly Trump handled this...how very surprising....

    And what does that have to do with the nutty 100,000,000 cases in the US prediction?
     
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    Wrong again. Humans keep growing and developing until about age 25 and then start the slow decline towards death.
     
    Surfer Joe, Mar 7, 2020
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    Unless the virus gets him. Would that make Pence the nominee or would it become a fight for the nomination?
     
    Surfer Joe, Mar 7, 2020
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    Testing is pointless, it would only be useful to those that demand an accurate number of cases. What could they possibly do with that information that would benefit you and I?
     
    Idahojunebug77, Mar 7, 2020
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    The death rate is currently at about 3% worldwide.
    Sars and Mers had much higher death rates, but their transmission and symptoms allowed the doctors to control it better and contain its spread more.
    You adopt the orange dotard's self-serving non-chalance at your own peril.
     
    Surfer Joe, Mar 7, 2020
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    Lol...maybe the asshat trump would take his duties more seriously if he couldn't deny what was going on.
    I doubt it, though.
     
    Surfer Joe, Mar 7, 2020
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    That's a good lesson. We should always expect to take care of ourselves and never rely on government for our safety and well being. What's your plan?
     
    Idahojunebug77, Mar 7, 2020
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    You must not have heard about the interview Trump did with Hannity. Trump was claimig there were far more cases of COVID-19 than is being represented by WHO and other health organizations. Trump wasn't denying what is going on.
     
    Idahojunebug77, Mar 7, 2020
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    He was most definitely trying to downplay the threat of the virus by saying that the mortality rate of 3.4% is a fake number, based on a hunch.

    Interestingly enough, the US has the highest rated mortality rate in the world (because of its inability to test enough people).
     
    MrTLegal, Mar 7, 2020
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    Downplaying or being accurate and honest?
     
    Idahojunebug77, Mar 7, 2020
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    What does growing and developing have to do with it?
     
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