Hiroshima at 75: bitter row persists over US decision to drop the bomb

You have correctly identified the forum, yes.

 

You have provided nothing to counter my arguments. Nothing, Zero, Zilch.

 

I think if you are on the side that advocates and/or instigates terrorist violence, that is the driving element behind the violence- and who that is does matter; no matter what their facade or claim.
What you do IS who you are. Ask any qualified psychologist if that is not the precise and reliable way to identify who a person is. IF you demonstrate a characteristic even once, we know it is part of the person; we know it will be used again when conditions make it useful. Thus- apologies and excuses are but diversions.

To say I can do what I want but you have to play by fair rules while I don't.... Is totally dishonest, and would hardly be a person to feel any sympathy for. They have made a choice, it is dangerous to protect them from the consequences of their decisions.

You see, I believe your determine your own value, your worth to society, your right to anything by the way you behave. You are perfectly welcome to do stupid things to yourself, but when you decide to abuse the rights of others and deprive them of their freedom or property or safety- you abdicate all your own rights, and whatever happens to you in the process of your crime should bear no consequence for others, because it would be your decision alone to put yourself in that position, to take that risk.

People must self-regulate- adhere to respectable standards because they are respectable people. IF they will not- and there are many who will not, they are the reason laws are necessary in the first place. The limit to the amount of abuse such people will do to others is directly controlled by how much those others will tolerate. IF we tolerate none- an awful lot of people who would otherwise never behave themselves will learn to self-regulate. But ONLY if the consequences are convincing.

Simply, there must be consequences for intolerable behavior, and they must be harsh enough and sure enough to convince that person that their bad behavior was a poor choice that they must not make again.
There are conditions under which any kind of compromise will be your surrender.

 

But USA did kill 3 million civilians (total) in Korean and Vietnam wars.

 

Not funny. Jokes about genocide.

 

Killing civilians is murder.

 

Some credit? for selective avoidance of reality, perhaps. Here's an example of what the MSM new is doing to you- everyday.

When you tell half a story, or one side of a story- you lie, with the intention of deceiving people.

In DC, there was a cookout gathering, black people- I think around 200.
During that event, a bunch of thugs started shooting- and managed to shoot 21 black people. A DC police officer was wounded, and is "fighting for her life". Worst mass shooting in DC I can recall.

So we have a black mayor here, who calls a press conference- to take issue with this gathering having too many people there, and creating virus risk.

None of the MSM media reported the shootings. They all reported that these people were violating the gathering limit mandates.

How is it that the importance of such stories gets mixed up? Because reporting the shooting of blacks, by blacks, in a highly black city with a black mayor- would reflect negatiely on black people, and thereby on Black Lives Matter and the like. So instead, they just report the importance of doing as you are told and staying home.
So Tucker Carlson with FOX- reports it all. Gives you the facts, shows you cuts from the other news agencies skipping over the mass shooting part to say failing to follow the mandate is the big story.
Then of course, their viewers will not really know what's going on- and that is precisely why they censor out unfavorable news regardless of importance, and spoon feed you part of a story. More important to control what you think that give you a view which might suggest you think for yourself.

Do yourself a favor- watch Carslons show a time or two. He will be right on target, and he won't play it one sided. If you want to see the show just mentioned, here is the link to the online story:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-washington-dc-mass-shooting-coverage

Here's the TV show in it's entirety:

 

Name a war where anybody cared about that other than us.

 

Don't be ridiculous. Civilians does not mean "not a threat or a danger" any more than "unarmed" means that.

 

I've repeatedly done this. Incorrect, false, nonsense.

To repeat for the umpteenth time:

1) What was done is NEVER okay. EVER.

2) See 1 above.

3) Japan was prepared to surrender.

4) What was done is NEVER okay. EVER.

 

That's all fine, and what was done in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is horrendous and completely unacceptable; intolerable.

 

At least.

 

Gallows humor...

 

Correct.

 

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are testament to our care.

 

(sparing 500 words....)

 

I really hate getting in the middle of a food fight between trolls like we have here

But the decision to drop the bomb was the correct one.

It saved millions of lives (both American and Japanese)

Japan was NOT going to surrender

 

Why was using the atomic bomb any worse than any other bombing?

Did you ever hear about the Rape of Nanjing?

What would you be willing to do to stop the Rape of Nanjing?

 

Which is a nice, kindly idea until you examine the alternatives and find that every other option is worse.

 

Explain precisely why.

 

In a way, that is true. By acting so boldly, we saved many millions of Japanese lives, and through our post-war care, have returned the nation to prosperity, freedom and a place os great respect in the world.
Few nations who have ever conquered others have been so magnanimous in victory. We also changed the mindset of Japanese leadership and the future of the nation in a very positive way; something rarely achieved. Virtually unheard of success.

 

When terrorism is okay: Never

 

Terrorism: Never okay

See above.

See above.

 

Incinerating hundreds of thousands: Very bad

 

Read the thread & examine your conscience.