Hiroshima at 75: bitter row persists over US decision to drop the bomb

You think he's worse? Sorry if I offended any Hitler or bin Laden fans...

 

Japan was on its knees and prepared to surrender, but even if not, these horrendous acts of terrorism are the greatest war crimes in human history.

 

It was not unconditional of course, and Japan - on its knees - got the one thing they asked for before our wanton terrorism.

But I understand the need to excuse and mythologize these unspeakable acts rather than face the horrible truth; it's not an historical issue as much as a matter of psychology and the powerful need for denial.

Horrendous war crimes: Never okay

 

But they never asked for it as a condition. Hindsight is great. Too bad it does not work when it is really needed.

 

Japan was never on their knees. They could have fought on their home ground with pitchforks and knives and stolen weapons for as long as they wanted.

The Japanese committed the greatest war crimes second only to the Germans. The Bataan Death March and the Rape of Nanjing plus a few others. Anyone who gave up was considered cowardly and not deserving of humane treatment. We ended the war and saved lives in the process.

 

Now that is a strawman.

Out of curiosity, how many of your family members would you have been willing to sacrifice in a ground attack on the Japanese homelands? I stood to lose three very close relatives. My wife stood to lose two very close relatives.

 

It certainly was an unconditional surrender. The link provided is the Potsdam Declaration the Japanese signed. Yes, the Emperor was kept in place but he became a puppet for the Supreme Commander.

https://www.ndl.go.jp/constitution/e/etc/c06.html

The authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule the state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers who will take such steps as he deems proper to effectuate these terms of surrender.

 

The US went to great pains to avoid bombing the Imperial Palace. The US knew that killing the Emperor would have prolonged the war because only he would have been able to convince the Japanese citizens that they should stop fighting.

 

The history of this has some twists you won't see in a superficial forum like this.

I'm not interested in going over it. But I will point out one thing, there had already been plenty of attacks on civilians by all the participants. Guernica, the London Terror Bombing, Dresden, etc.

Everyone likes a straightforward narrative, there isn't one.

 

Some day you will stop your sorry charade and actually produce PROOF of what you repeatedly wrongly claim. Until then you have zero credibility on this topic.

 

In the interest of full disclosure, and as my position that it's never okay to terrorize innocent civilians with atomic weapons has proven so controversial, I must further confess to a longer list of actions that are never okay.

These include:

- It's never okay to rape

- It's never okay to use biological weapons

- It's never okay to torture

- It's never okay to harm small children

- It's never okay to drop bombs on innocent civilians

Whew - my confession of my no-no list has made me feel lighter already.

Let the explanations for why these things are okay when an arbitrary *our side* does them begin!

 

Does all that apply equally to the Japanese, who started the war? I haven't heard you condemn them even once.

 

In 1945 and during Korean War and Vietnam War, White Supremacy was still accepted in USA. Thus, killing of non-white civilians was not seen as a tragedy.

USA committed three genocides -- Japan bombing 1945, Korean War 1950-53, Vietnam War 1965-73. In all these wars a total of about 3.5 million civilians were killed by USA.

 

In 2020, White Nationalists are rejected by Society.

In 1945, they were the majority.

The lives of non-white people were viewed as less worthy.

 

Genocide is an attempt to extinguish a race or culture. We did not try to do any such thing in any of those wars.

I doubt that.

 

^^^ Confused about the meaning of "Never."

 

Liking, but your genocide count is too low.

 

I further confess to the following beliefs:

- It's never okay to punch kittens

- It's never okay to kick puppies

Let the condemnation begin!

 

Cease the petulant whining that is being demonstrated on the part of yourself.

 

Nothing confusing about it.

 

Cease the off-topic nonsense on the part of yourself.

 

There shouldn't be, no.

Maybe go back & reread what I wrote, and Google the definition of "never."

Good luck!

 

I don't have to google Never. I never said never. What I said was " I haven't heard you condemn them even once."
I meant exactly what I said. I haven't heard you condemn them even once. Have you ever done so in your life time and I did not hear it? I have no idea.

You have repeatedly condemned the US for the Atomic Bombs. I haven't heard you condemn the Japanese even once for the atrocities they committed including an unprovoked attack on the US.

 

I think you do. I did. You were wrong. Ditto. See this thread. Irrelevant.

Yes. See this thread.

 

Didn't see it and you have certainly condemned the US more than Japan whether you did or not.