Hiroshima at 75: bitter row persists over US decision to drop the bomb

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  1. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    I see your point.

    MacArthur: Psychopath
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    It's true; completely false. Thanks! :) Google is your friend.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    I think he's pro stopping warmongering jackasses by any means
     
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    I have no idea what you were trying to say.
     
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    That is incorrect. Japan did not attempt to surrender until August 10, by which time both A-bombs had already been dropped.


    That is incorrect. We were not preventing Japan from surrendering.


    That is incorrect. We would have delighted to have Japan surrender.


    The perils of never going to war seem pretty relevant to your comment about it being wrong to drop bombs on people.


    That is incorrect. Neither Ike nor Einstein worked very hard to oppose the use of the A-bombs.


    That is incorrect. Neither Ike nor Einstein worked very hard to oppose the use of the A-bombs.


    I did not move any goal posts. You wrongly said that Ike and Einstein worked hard to oppose the A-bombs.

    Your statement was untrue.


    Maybe so, but their opposition was feeble to the point of insignificance.


    What is relevant about Ike and Einstein's feeble and insignificant opposition to using the A-bombs?
     
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    BS on all counts. Revisionist bs.
     
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    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    Japan did not try to surrender on any terms whatsoever until August 10.

    The A-bombs were dropped on August 6 and August 9.
     
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    I will put this as bluntly as I know how. We were attacked by Japan. Japan was a brutal enemy. After that the gloves come off and Japan should not expect any mercy. We already sacrificed too many American lives. Anything we did to save even one American life was worth doing.

    I was only eight when the war ended, but the happiness and joy cannot be overstated. It was the end to a nightmare, especially for us who had close relatives who were fighting.
     
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    You had me up to "by any means."

    Half a like! :)
     
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    My wife and I visited some friends in Okinawa in around 1962. One of places our friends took us to was a bluff where hundreds of Japanese jumped to their death rather than face the possibility that the US would become their victors. The battle for Okinawa ended June 22, 1945. The Japanese lost nearly as many in Okinawa as the Bombs killed. Does that sound like people who were ready to surrender?
     
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    Read your post & my reply & maybe you'll figure it out. Good luck! :)
     
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    False.

    False.

    False.

    Dropping bombs on people: Wrong

    False. I did not; you moved the goal posts - reread what I ACTUALLY said.

    False.

    False. False.

    False. False.

    False.

    False, but terrorist gotta terrorist, so the terrorists won.

    It may be a mystery to some; the smartest man on the planet & our greatest general - and soon to be greatest president - in profound opposition to horrendous acts of terror; think about it & maybe you'll figure it out.

    :)
     
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    Nope. Nope.
     
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    No serious attempt was made to end the war. A few non-serious attempts by low level officials were made to keep parts of Japan's Empire & set terms the Allies were never going to accept. Japan could have ended the war at any point. All the Emperor or government had to do was announce an armistice on Allied terms.

    Nope. Neither were responsible for the deaths that would occour either with or without a bomb being dropped. So, not remotely relevant.

    I'll back my figures against yours any day.
     
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    If you aren't willing to use any means necessary the warmongering jackasses win. And that's wholly unacceptable.
     
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    False.

    Very good! :eek: (I'm sincerely impressed.) You correctly identified the dates of the two most horrendous acts of terrorism in human history. A gold star for you! :)
     
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    Let me be blunt: Japan was prepared to surrender.

    Also: Jesus don't like bombs being dropped on people.
     
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    Irrelevant and dubious anecdote. Japan was prepared to surrender, but the US was itching to commit the most horrendous acts of terror in human history.
     
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    Japan was prepared to surrender on the terms they did after the two horrendous terror acts.

    Highly relevant as Japan was prepared to surrender, as Ike knew, and Einstein was the smartest man alive & profoundly familiar with the subject.

    Irrelevant; dropping bombs on people = wrong.
     
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    Jesus: Famous for his mono-cheek
     
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    Jesus wasn't talking about warfare.
     
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    Wrong again. Japan did not try to surrender on any terms whatsoever until August 10, by which time both A-bombs had already been dropped.

    We were not preventing Japan from surrendering. We would have delighted to have Japan surrender.

    Neither Ike nor Einstein worked very hard to oppose the use of the A-bombs. Their opposition was feeble to the point of insignificance.


    Not going to war is a good way for your country to end up conquered and enslaved (or worse).


    This is what you said:

    "Ike worked hard to prevent the use of these bombs, btw, as did Einstein."
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...o-drop-the-bomb.576500/page-3#post-1071938197

    Pointing out the reality that your statement is untrue is not moving goal posts.


    The A-bombs were dropped on military targets, so were not in any way terrorism.
     
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    :roflol:

    Of COURSE not.

    :roflol:
     
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    Astonishing - 100% false claims.

    And 100% repetitive - I'm sensing a pattern.
     
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    Yes you pattern of abject denial
    of reality is becoming increasingly obvious.
     
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