Hitler's hatred of the Jews (part 2)

For those Holocaust deniers, I have more information for you. I can prove that you were never born. Yep, it is true. I have read a bunch of articles about how you don't exist. Nope, those photographs of your childhood are not real because some crackpots on the internet told me so by twisting words.

 

I'm still waiting for a photo, blueprint, work order or maintenance request for a homicidal gas chamber.

There must have been hundreds of homicidal gas chambers in order to kill so many people so where are they all?

Remember, all sides used atrocity propaganda but, after the war, only Allied propaganda remains as the official war narrative.

Thanks,

 

There are multiple blueprints of the gas chambers, as well for the doors that the denialists can't explain, and I've provided forensic evidence. There are also the eyewitness accounts. There is no rational excuse for denying the gas chambers.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...locaust-denial.609023/page-25#post-1074267203
m/index.php?threads/hitlers-jew-hatred-holocaust-denial.609023/page-17#post-1074263120

The viewers can look at all the research and decide for themselves.

 

And the difference will always be that rational thinkers will be able to discuss these issues and show the denialists for what they are, and the denialists will always be incapable of having a discussion about their flood of links. They aren't able to actually talk about the facts. They are only able to copy/paste dozens of links that they haven't actually read, haven't actually thought about, and are incapable of having a debate about. There's no such thing as an honest denialist.

 

Just an example here, @Scott , your link talks about the supposed danger of explosion from Zyklon B (a vapid lie from the link's author). That's bull ****. If that were really a problem, then you'd also have to deny the existence of delousing chambers. My links go over the the chemistry for why this argument is dumber than a cross-eyed hammer, but that's the main one you should think about. You won't think about it. You won't discuss it. You will only copy/paste another set of links that you won't think about or discuss. This is the level of intellectual dishonesty required to pretend that the authors of these neo-Nazi denialist sources are anything other than racist con men.

 

At Auschwitz, there is a room stacked with empty Zyklon B containers. I reckon they used them to fill up tires, not slaughter innocents.

 

I had this conversation with some of them before. I pointed out that there was evidence of the gas on the walls, which they were willing to acknowledge at first. They went on and on and on about how dangerous the gas would have been for the Nazis and that it must have just been used for delousing. When I pointed out that it actually takes a lot more of the same gas over a much longer period of time for delousing, which destroys their "too dangerous" arguments and also explains why the concentrations on the walls were low, they immediately backpedaled and claimed there was no residue at all, effectively denying that even the delousing chambers existed.

 

There are no blueprints(1), photographs, etc for any homicidal gas chambers because they didn't exist or else you would have produced something other than the same false claims over and over.


"Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp"
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721

EXCERPT "Prof. Robert Jan van Pelt, a internationally acknowledged expert on the planning and construction of Auschwitz,

Van Pelt, an architectural historian, said that copies of the plans of the stages of the camp's construction were also in the archive of the Polish National Museum at Auschwitz and in an archive in Moscow.

Van Pelt said he also doubted the authenticity of the signature of the SS chief, Heinrich Himmler, since such a high-ranking officer would not have signed such plans, and none of the copies he had ever seen bore such a signature.

Van Pelt also said the words "gas chamber" on one of the drawings meant a room in which disinfection of clothing was done by means of gas, and that the sketch is not of an extermination camp established in 1942, but rather of earlier plans for a huge concentration camp in which a force of 130,000 slave laborers was intended to work.

Van Pelt suggested the plans might be fakes, motivated by the lucrative market in Nazi memorabilia and documents."CONTINUED


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This too is not true. You haven't even shown where one homicidal gas chamber is located and I've seen no forensic evidence.
I've already shown where the Soviets made significant alterations and even made German POWs build a fake homicidal gas chamber after the war.

Have you decided to ignore the fact that virtually all of the camp liberation footage was staged to be consistent with the Allied propaganda narrative:

“The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED


Finally, you keep referring to "eyewitness testimony" that has repeatedly turned out to be false.
For example:

"An Unproven Holocaust: The Unreliable Eyewitness Testimony to the Genocide of European Jewry"
http://www.wearswar.com/2021/05/31/...-testimony-to-the-genocide-of-european-jewry/

EXCERPT " Rudolf Vrba, who had escaped from Auschwitz in April of 1944, was a world-famous eyewitness to the homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Vrba confessed during his testimony at Zündel’s trial that his book I Cannot Forgive was “an artistic picture…not a document for the court.” Vrba testified that he had never actually witnessed anybody being gassed at Auschwitz, but had merely heard rumors." CONTINUED


EXCERPTS "One of the first to dispute reports of German genocide was Paul Rassinier.
Rassinier stated that although he suffered greatly during the war in the Buchenwald and Dora Concentration Camps, he never saw any evidence of homicidal gas chambers or any program to exterminate Jews.

Rassinier concluded that the death toll in the camps was far lower than alleged. He also concluded that the deaths in the camps were not caused by a German program of genocide,[24] but rather primarily by the poor conditions of the camps attributable to the economic collapse of Germany during a devastating war." CONTINUED


EXCERPTS "Thies Christophersen was another witness who said that the alleged genocide of Jews during World War II never happened.

On a number of occasions during this period he visited Birkenau where allegedly hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed to death. In his memoir The Auschwitz Lie, first published in Germany in 1973, Christophersen wrote that during the time he was at Auschwitz he did not notice the slightest evidence of mass gassings." CONTINUED


EXCERPTS " Another eyewitness who did not see any evidence of genocide of the Jews is Dr. Wilhelm Stäglich. Dr. Stäglich, a German judge, visited Auschwitz several times during World War II as a German orderly officer of an Anti-aircraft Detachment. Dr. Stäglich published the following account of his visits to Auschwitz:
'On none of these visits did I see gassing installations, crematoria, instruments of torture, or similar horrors. The camp gave one the impression of being well-kept and very well-organized…'" CONTINUED

 

There are several blueprints. They are referenced in the videos I provided. Hell, Crematoria 1's reconstruction is based entirely on Nazi blueprints. There are design specifications for the door that you still refuse to discuss. You are blindly following dumb, racist lies.

 

It is a good thing they have documented records of each Jew who died at the Nazi's hands to back up their claims. It is not like they all disappeared as if they never existed or changed their names and moved abroad. Most of us have seen the video's of the Nazi's shooting women and children to fall into the mass pits. I even read a book by someone who crawled out of the pits as well as a book on someone who was forced to enter the pits and move the bodies around. Maybe the gassing records could be flubbed a little, but the number of Jews who were slaughtered is well documented and verified.

 

Watch part 7 of this series.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...he-jews-part-2.610995/page-20#post-1074290299

 

MORE EVASIONS

For at least a month I have asked you for a photograph, blueprint, work order or maintenance request for a homicidal gas chamber over a dozen times but you can produce nothing because nothing exists except fake ones and "eyewitness testimony" like the claims listed below:
EXERPTS:
• Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

• William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

• Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

• Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

• Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

• Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED (1)


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I don't doubt that there were both crematoria and blueprints for them. In spite of their ominous appearance, the crematoria were built to save lives, not kill people:

"In order to put a stop to the epidemics, we were forced to burn the bodies of incalculable numbers of people who had been destroyed by disease. We were therefore forced to build crematoria, and on this account they are knotting a noose for us." (2)

Heinrich Himmler
21 April 1945

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That's not true either. I tried to explain to you that because the Communists made numerous serious alterations in the former German run camps to deceive gullible holocaustians, nothing there should be considered authentic.

I even showed where the Soviets forced German POWs to build a fake homicidal gas chamber after the war(3) in another attempt to deceive the world.(3)


(1). “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html


(2). Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, 2nd ed., Vallentine, Mitchell, London, 1968, p. 521. AlsoMoment (Jewish monthly published in Boston), vol. 11, no. 1, Dec. 1985, p. 51


(3). "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the

EXCERPT "As a young officer, Gerhart Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).

When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED

 

You are the only person I know of who denies the blueprints. If I find myself with some spare time and you commit to actually addressing the discussion instead of spamming links that you refuse to actually discuss, I'll consider it.

If you think the links that you are spamming and refuse to discuss aren't, themselves, evasion, then I have news for you.

 

Is this another link you will refuse to actually discuss?

 

I am going to go a tad off-topic but it does have to do with Hitler and his hatred of not only Jewish people who he considered sub-normal. Hitler considered any child who had any kind of special need, chromosomal abnormality, intellectual delay, physical abnormality to be sub-normal and mandated a euthanasia program and it was more horrifying in some cases than what he did to the Jewish people.

Just as Hitler and the Nazis did with Jewish people, they developed sanitized descriptions to describe their despicable acts. Laws related to promoting euthanasia were labelled ‘negative population policies’. The act of killing children was labelled ‘delivering final medical assistance’. The methods of putting children labelled as ‘sub-normal’ to death were barbaric. Some were injected with carbolic acid, some were over-dosed on barbiturates, some were left outside to die in the cold, some were starved to death. Parents were told their children had died of natural causes and were often billed for cremation or burial expenses. Thousands of non-Jewish children were murdered.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/euthanasia-program

Hitler was a nasty psychopath who hated and hated and those who are trying to claim otherwise are deluded.

 

There are scenarios in which this would work. If explosion is a danger, the delousing chamber could have been designed with that in mind. They could have waited long enough to ventilate the chamber thoroughly which would have been a lot longer than the time they allegedly waited before dragging the bodies out. They could have designed it so that there would be no ignition source near the gas.

Ask me a question about it.

If this is true, it's terrible but how do you know it's true?

 

Why should I believe in the fictional homicidal gas chamber story when have been entirely unable to produce even one photograph, blueprint, maintenance request or work order?

How can I have a discussion with someone who refuses to admit that there were full Jews in Hitler's military and the National Socialist government in spite of documented proof that they were.(1), (2), (3)?

I've tried to discuss homicidal gas chambers and shown that they are simply Allied atrocity propaganda (4).

So, if you would please show a photograph and description of what you think were homicidal gas chambers, we can move along.

Thanks,




(1). ‘JEWISH’ SENIOR OFFICERS IN HITLER’S ARMY: ERHARD MILCH, WILHELM KEITEL, WALTHER VON BRAUCHITSCH, ERICH RAEDER, AND MAXIMILIAN VON WEICHS.
https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/jewish-senior-officers-in-hitlers-army-erhard-milch-wilhelm-keitel-walther-von-brauchitsch-erich-raeder-and-maximilian-von-weichs/

EXCERPT "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval."CONTINUED


(2). “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

“If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


(3). “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


(4). “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.

 

Delousing chambers, by every conceivable measure, would be more dangerous than the Holocaust gas chambers. And what "ignition source" existed for the gas chambers that didn't exist for delousing chambers? You are starting to see how the "explosive" argument is complete bull ****. By the way . . . ventilating the delousing chambers would mean the gas getting outside . . . and at much higher concentrations than existed for the homicide gas chambers . . . once again still making them a greater risk.

If you will actually respond, I will do so. Do you commit to that?

 

The blueprints exist (and you will call them fake, meaning your complaint is fake), and we have the forensic evidence, and the eyewitness accounts. And again you are back to ignoring the evidence and copy/pasting/spamming lists of links that you can't/won't actually discuss. I keep taking you off of ignore thinking I can convince you to have an honest discussion, and I keep being disappointed. Hell, you are STILL citing the fake "Hitler's Jewish Army" article after you were shown it is a lie. Even you acknowledged that they were wrong about Milch being a full Jew. Why do you keep using sources that you KNOW are lying to you?

 

Relying on the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1), (2) for any information about Hitler or the Germans is like relying on the KKK for information about Blacks and Jews. Virtually all you'll get are profitable lies, grisly fables, and impossible claims.

How quickly people forget that the same people who have been caught in long running scams, making false restitution claims, embezzlement and coaching fake "Holocaust survivors" are the ones telling profitable tales about human skin lampshades, homicidal gas, steam and electrocution chambers, shrunken heads, a genocidal German agenda, human fat soap and fictitious stories of deliberate starvation.

The Holo-Horror story about "sanitized descriptions" is an obvious lie from beginning to end as it is very unlikely that the Germans quoted were speaking English.
Anyone who speaks German recognizes that it is a very precise and detailed language. As can be expected, the US taxpayer subsidized folks at the USHMM theme park have deliberately mistranslated the German language to sound more demonic.

Finally, I'm not surprised that the folks at USHMM left out the salient fact that Hitler ordered the euthanasia program halted in 1941 (3) but what would you expect from proven liars and frauds.

Re:

Opinions vary:
“You can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived,” Kennedy wrote in his diary in 1945.”
https://time.com/4711687/john-f-kennedy-diary-hitler/

I'm sure that you realize that all sides use atrocity propaganda to demoralize and demonize the enemy so your extreme views are precisely those that Allied propagandists hoped to create.
I think that if you were to rely on more objective and honest sources you might see Hitler as a more complex individual than the stock villain fabricated by Hollywood and the fraudulent Holocaust Industry.

Thanks,



(1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


(3). "Hitler suspends euthanasia program"
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/hitler-suspends-euthanasia-program

EXCERPT "Adolf Hitler orders that the systematic murder of the mentally ill and handicapped be brought to an end because of protests within Germany on August 18, 1941." CONTINUED

 

STILL NO "HOMICIDAL GAS CHAMBER".......

1. I already proved that your homicidal gas chamber blueprints were fake with an article from Haaretz:

"Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp"
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721

2. What you complain about as "spamming" is, in fact, simply supporting what I claim to be true. If you were being truthful, then you would be able to support what you claim with something other than dishonest Holocaust Industry propaganda.

3. You might as well hav e on ignore because you either can not or will not support what you claim by even telling where you think a homicidal gas chamber may be.

4. You have never shown anything I've written to be a lie especially "Hitler's Jewish Army". I've repeatedly written and supported the fact that there were full and mixed Jews in Hitler's military and the NS Party.

5. I never claimed that Milch was a full Jew but, as I have both written and supported, there were, indeed full Jews in Hitler's military and the NS Party.

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Please show where anything I've either written or supported that is a "lie". Why can't you support anything that you claim?

 

I've provided data backing up my claim, including forensic data and basic observations that you have not been able to refute regarding both the HCN residue (which you contradicted yourself on, claiming both that there was residue and that there wasn't) and the door design. I've never said you were lying. I said the links you used were lying. And, yes, you ABSOLUTELY provided a link claiming that Milch was a full Jew. The link you provided that "there were, indeed full Jews in Hitler's military and the NS Party" WAS THE LINK THAT SAID MILCH WAS A FULL JEW. It was the same link. Meanwhile, I've quoted Nazi law that stripped citizenship from full Jews and outlawed them from public service.

Even the link you provide above doesn't prove your claim. First you asked for blueprints. When I brought up that there were blueprints, you provide a link from someone suggesting that, hey, maybe those were fake, and you used that to claim that they were proven fakes. You ask for blueprints, but you call them fake when provided. You will do the same for ANY evidence that you claim to want that challenges Holocaust denialism. You ask for the evidence. I provide it. The evidence challenges Holocaust denialism. You call it fake. Even when (like in the case with HCN residue) you had previously acknowledged it was real.

 

In the second or third video in this post it's said that some of the people removing the bodies were smoking.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...locaust-denial.609023/page-13#post-1074256367

If they were aware of that, they could have cleared the whole area until it was safe.

 

Yes, if it's a serious question.