Hitler's hatred of the Jews (part 2)

Hitler wasn't amused about traitor Hess trying to make unauthorized peace with the Brits.
"Hitler stripped Hess of all of his party and state offices, and secretly ordered him shot on sight if he ever returned to Germany."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Hess
Please don't repeat Nazi propaganda, Mr. Grau!

 

1. You've provided no independent data about HCN residue or even told us where even one fictional homicidal gas chamber is located so how could I have contradicted myself?

Were you aware that typhus epidemics were devastating so Zyklon-B was used to delouse living quarters, offices, the dining halls, hospitals and everywhere typhus bearing lice may be?
For that reason, trace elements of HCN would be expected in all of the walls of the walls deloused.

The big picture that your missing is that the Soviet liberated German work camps simply became a propagandist's playground and barbaric Communist gulags

Toward the end of the war when the Germans had nothing to feed or medically treat the inmates, typhus was so rampant that 15,000 people died of typhus after the Allies liberated Bergen-Belsen

Again, please produce a photograph and a location of any alleged homicidal gas chamber you wish to discuss.

2. Regardless of what the NS Race Laws were, there were so many exceptions that they were virtually meaningless and used primarily against Communist Jews. Herman Goering once said "I decide who is an Aryan and who is not."

Nowhere in the link I posted did the author claim that Milch was a full Jew. That link has been among the ones censored so I won't use it again anyway.

The fact remains that hundreds if not thousands of full Jews fought in Hitler's military with some earning Germany's honors and reaching the highest ranks.

You sound as if only the lives of full Jews are significant or only full Jews should be counted.
Do you think that all of the "6 million Jews" allegedly murdered were full Jews and if not, why include them in the tally?

At any rate, it's an established fact that full and mixed Jews advanced through the ranks of both the German military and NS (National Socialist Party)

3.

First, you didn't provide any blueprints, you just claimed that they exist.

Secondly, can you blame anyone for not trusting the fraudulent Holocaust Industry after eighty years of profitable hoaxes and residual Allied propaganda?

As far back as those fake human skin lampshades, human fat soap, shrunken heads and other grisly hoaxes, the Holocaust Industry has a criminal history of deliberate deception so it seems perfectly reasonable to be skeptical, don't you think?

So, please show the homicidal gas chamber you've been describing.

Thanks,

 

I've provided links regarding the residue in the videos I provided. Even the Leuchter Report admits that he found HCN residue. And you need to make up your mind . . . and you've flip flopped on this before . . . but are you denying there was such residue or are you saying these were delousing chambers? You've changed your mind more than once on this before. And please don't pretend you haven't seen me talk about the delousing chambers before. It's just sad.

Here's the thing: it takes a lot more Zyklon-B to kill lice than it does to kill humans. If these were delousing chambers, you need to explain why the HCN residue was so low that it was barely detectable in these chambers. You'll need to explain why the doors were designed the way that they were . . . which makes no sense for a delousing chamber. And you need to explain why the chambers were so large compared to the delousing chambers, which is efficient for killing humans and monstrously inefficient for killing lice.

 

Wikipedia is not a reliable source especially for topics like the Holocaust, Middle East, WW 2 etc
It even admits that it is unreliable.

The findings of Western historian Peter Padfield and others(1) are not "Nazi propaganda". It's only logical that Hitler wouldn't want to fight on an additional front and Hitler even expressed a fondness for the English. It was Churchill and Roosevelt that were eager for war with Germany.
Hitler expressed hostility toward Hess only after the peace mission failed.

Please remember that the victor's propaganda becomes the official narrative after the war before you believe so much hate filled anti German slander?

George Orwell once said:

"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."
https://www.forbes.com/quotes/3552/...the future; who,the present controls the past.


Thanks,



(1). "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
http://www.historyextra.com/news/se...estern-europe-exchange-free-hand-attack-ussr’

EXCERPT ""A new book claims to have solved the riddle of the flight to Britain in 1941 of Rudolph Hess, Adolf Hitler’s deputy. Historian Peter Padfield has uncovered evidence he says shows Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, brought with him from Hitler a detailed peace treaty, under which the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe in exchange for British neutrality over the imminent attack on Russia. The episode remains, more than 70 years on, shrouded in mystery."CONTINUED

 

Please simply show and tell me what building you think is a homicidal gas chamber.

Your evasions are wearing me out.

 

I've named several. They are also named in the videos provided. You are still evading the forensic proof and other evidence.

And you continue citing sources that you now know were lying to you.

 

This is bizarre.

How can I discuss something if you won't tell me what or where it is?

You might as well admit that you can't produce a photo, blueprint, work order or maintenance request for a homicidal gas chamber because none existed.

Yes, people were killed but not in homicidal German gas chambers.

 

I'm still waiting for a response to post #512.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...he-jews-part-2.610995/page-21#post-1074293430

 

It's been a week and neither of us have heard from our friend @yardmeat.

Unfortunately, it has been my experience that every time I ask someone who actually believes the standard Holocaust narrative to produce a photograph, blueprint, work order or maintenance request of a homicidal gas chamber, they get evasive and then disappear.

The only thing that even closely resembles a German made homicidal gas chamber is the fake homicidal gas chamber that the NKVD ordered their German POWs to build for propaganda purposes.(1)

The Soviets invited journalists, politicians and high ranking military personnel to see a complete homicidal gas chamber but no one fell for the deception because the construction was so new.

One of the German POWs who helped build the phony homicidal gas chamber wrote a book about his experience.
Because the book essentially exposed the fact that homicidal gas chambers were merely a product of Holocaust Industry fraudulence, it was banned and the author threatened with imprisonment.

If the Soviets or Western Allies had discovered any homicidal gas chambers, you can be sure that they would have displayed them prominently and not needed phony ones.

After all, if so many were killed in homicidal gas chambers, where are all these homicidal gas chambers?

I hope that anyone who believes that millions or even hundreds of thousands were killed in homicidal gas chambers can produce a photograph, blueprint, work order or maintenance request for a homicidal gas chamber.

The fact remains that German made homicidal gas chambers, like the steam, electrocution chambers(2) were simply a product of Allied propagandists. (3)

Thanks,







(1). "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the

EXCERPT "As a young officer, Gerhart Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).

When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED


(2). "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


(3). “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.

 

The post you just quoted was not addressed to me. Nor, as I have explained, do I deal with Gish gallops. I've provided evidence of the gas chambers. You only "respond" by ignoring every word said, sometimes even changing your story, and then spamming links. If you want to have a discussion, then actually engage in the discussion. I've provided forensic evidence of the gas chambers. You have failed to respond to that evidence. You are going to have to do better than just copy/pasting neo-Nazi blogs that you yourself have admitted have lied to you and you yourself have admitted you don't agree with.

Have you figured out yet (as I've asked you many, many times) why a delousing chamber would have a door that could only be opened from the outside, had a peephole, and had metal caging protecting the peephole on the inside? Of course not. I'll ask again, you will run and hide again.

 

If you're not checkmated, address posts #533 and #532. If you ignore rebuttals to your arguments, it kind of looks like you're checkmated.

 

As for 532, I've already provided a blueprint. Grau, predictably, just called it a fake. Proving he isn't asking these questions in earnest. It doesn't matter what I provide. He will just call it fake and refuse to talk about it. As for 533, feel free to cite any part of your link that you'd like to talk about. Meanwhile, you guys have refused to address any the arguments I've provided, so it kind of looks like you are checkmated.

 

MORE EVASIONS AND OBFUSCATIONS

Of course my last Post was intended for you to read or else I wouldn't have notified you via "@yardmeat".

I am unfamiliar with the term "Gish gallop" but it appears to be something like walking and chewing gum at the same time.

All I have asked you to do is to identify the location of this mythical homicidal gas chamber you are describing with a photo etc otherwise your "forensic evidence" might as well come from the moon.

My "story" has been the same since we began discussing this topic but you're deliberately obfuscating the fact that no photographs, blueprints, work orders or maintenance requests for even one homicidal gas chamber.

I have repeatedly explained the grisly Soviet Holo-horror door as the propaganda ploy it is.
Please use some common sense.
If the Soviets would compel German POWs to build an entire phony homicidal gas chamber purely for propaganda purposes, don't you think that they might fabricate other phony accessories and props too?

You can slander the sources and historians I've quoted but you cannot refute the facts they support or show where any of them are "Neo-Nazi" or dishonest.

Finally, your evasions aren't fooling anyone. The reason you are unable to produce even one photograph etc of a homicidal gas chamber is because none existed or exist except as phony or altered imitations.

I hope you'll spend some time thinking of why you're unable to find any photographs, blueprints, work orders or maintenance requests for a homicidal gas chamber instead of falling for obvious hoaxes.

Thanks,

 

So you were talking about me but didn't want me to see? There's a word for that, but I don't think the mods would want me using it. Anyway, no, you misunderstand the Gish gallop. A Gish gallop is when groups, typically conspiracy theorists like flat earthers/young earthers/lunar landing deniers/Holocaust deniers/etc., have no good arguments, so instead they just spam bad arguments in droves. And they, like you, tend to evade actually talking about any of these issues in detail and instead just spam more bad arguments . . . as you have done.

You asked for blueprints. I provided. You called the blueprints fake. Without evidence. Proving your requests are not in earnest. You aren't asking for evidence in order to address it; you are only asking for evidence in order to stall. And you haven't addressed ANY of the forensic evidence provided and have, in fact, contradicted yourself on the rare occasions where you have attempted to do so.

And, no, I have no qualms about calling some of your sources neo-Nazi. I'm not calling YOU a neo-Nazi, but some of your sources are. And, hell, even you have admitted that your sources are lying to you and that you don't actually agree with them. Hmm. Funny how that works.

Thanks. Tell us more about the braindead hoaxes you've fallen for.

 

Now, why would I deliberately draw your attention to a Post that I didn't want you to see?

You're not being rational.

Next, you provided no blueprints, you simply said that they exist.
I can't tell if something is fake without seeing it and you've neither supported nor shown anything you've asserted.

Your "gish gallop" excuse is simply a transparent evasion ploy.
I have asked you to support just one thing that you've claimed and you can't even do that.

Why should I waste more time for more transparent evasion ploys?

 

If you are talking about me and you didn't want me to see it . . . think

No, I provided links about it. Then you called it a hoax.

I've provided evidence. You've refused to address it or have just outright called it all fake without actually addressing it. You've supported nothing that you've claimed. Hell, you even had to admit that your article about the "150,000 Jewish Nazi soldiers" was an outright lie. Why should I waste more time when you've provided no evidence . . . have outright refused to address evidence . . . and have advanced "evidence" that you admit is untruthful? Ah, and I'll also add that you contradicted yourself when addressing the forensic evidence of the gas chambers . . . you STILL contradict yourself and can't decide if there was no residue in the chambers at all or if there was residue and that this was just because they were delousing chambers. You've contradicted yourself more than once on this.

 

It's just common sense that I would not have drawn your attention to something I didn't want you to see.

Of course it was intended for you to see since I was responding to @Scott but intended for you.
That's why I used the "@" symbol before your user name.

Think about it for a while.

Your whole Post is a perfect example of what you call "Gish gallop"; a slurry of unsupported claims, off topic allusions and disconnected falsehoods.
It looks like you'll trot out anything to distract readers from the fact that you have no hard evidence that the Germans ever employed homicidal gas chambers to kill anyone.

First, you've provided absolutely no evidence that the Germans killed anyone in homicidal gas chambers.
Your unsupported claim that there are blueprints is not hard evidence.

I stated the supported fact that there were about 150,000 Jews and mixed Jews in Germany's WW 2 military. (1)
Your claim that I or anyone else stated that they were all full Jews is an outright lie you've latched onto out of desperation.

Re:

This, too, is not true otherwise you'd be able to support your accusations.

Next in your slurry of "Gish gallop" is another unsupportable claim about mythical homicidal gas chambers that are apparently on the moon since you can't locate one on this planet

Re:

Then it should be easy to show where I contradicted myself just once but we both know that you can't and will use any "Gish gallop" evasion to avoid showing a photograph, blueprint, maintenance request or work order for even one homicidal gas chamber.

This is not your High School debate club so your puerile evasion ploys won't work here.




(1). “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

“If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED

 

Hello yardmeat,

I really don't want our exchange to become uncivil or become more heated.

To clear some things up, I never gossip about other Posters. I deliberately drew your attention to that earlier Post so that you would read it.

As long as I have been a member of this forum and in all of our discussions about this specific topic (Holocaust era German homicidal gas chambers), I have never seen where you have shown a photograph, blueprint, work order or maintenance request for a homicidal gas chamber.

We're getting nowhere by accusing each other of previously misrepresenting the facts.

Additionally, I don't know how you expect me to discuss homicidal gas chambers when you won't tell me where and what you think is a homicidal gas chamber.

Throughout this thread, I have shown that homicidal German made gas chambers are simply a product of Allied propaganda.(1)

If nothing else, you have simply confirmed my assertion that there are no photographs, blueprints, work orders or maintenance requests for a homicidal gas chambers.

There is even no mention of gassing people to death in any of the secret German radio transmissions. There were reports of shootings and hanging but not mass executions via gas chamber as claimed. (2)

Finally, since it's impossible to discuss anything without knowing what or where it is, there's no point in responding to this particular Post unless you have a photograph, blueprint,, maintenance request, work order or specific location of a WW 2 era German, homicidal gas chamber.

Thanks and enjoy your weekend,



(1) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


(2). "The Enemy Is Listening!"
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/8/1/4028

EXCERPT "Oddly, only a very few Holocaust historians were interested in the information on the concentration camps. The reason for this astonishing lack of interest is presumably due to the following remark by author Hinsley:

The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates,[4] mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.

To sum up, the following facts may be considered established: The messages deciphered at Bletchley Park undoubtedly constitute one of the most reliable sources on the course of events during the Second World War. They provide information on undertakings of the German army, navy, and air force. They provide an insight into the events occurring behind the Russian front and the conditions in the concentration camps. Since the reports from Auschwitz contain no information on mass killings, the question of whether the British Intelligence Service "knew about the Holocaust," can be answered with a single word: "No!" CONTINUED



“Soviet’s Anti-Nazi Propaganda, Fake Pictures during World War”
http://www.hoaxorfact.com/Crime/soviet-s-anti-nazi-propaganda-fake-pictures-during-world-war.html

EXCERPT “The Soviets and the rest of the allies were in fact faking hundreds of pictures during and after the World war, as a part of psychological warfare against the German people and propagandize their own people.

However, in later years, with the user of computers and the internet, the usage of those hundreds of images were proved to be faked during and after World War Two, which also intended to demonize Hitler and the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).”CONTINUED


“The 'Problem of the Gas Chambers’”
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v01/v01p103_Faurisson.html

EXCERPT “Concerning the crematoria of Auschwitz, there is just as there is generally for the entire camp an overabundance of documents and invoices down to the last penny. However, concerning the "gas chambers" In a hundred war crimes trials, nothing of the sort was ever produced.”CONTINUED

 

You are not a reliable source either.

In 1945, the allies filmed various concentration camps. Some of the narrative is erroneous and they admit that on the webpage. The footage though speaks for itself. There are blueprints of Auschwitz within one of the films. The concentration camps had one purpose during the war — death. It wasn’t death by natural causes, it was murder. Death occurred in many ways — being shot, being starved to death, dying from experimental operations, being tortured, being burned alive, and being gassed to death. Why don’t you go to the following page and view the three films, watch some of the filmed personal accounts, and read some of the written testimonies — http://www.camps.bbk.ac.uk/testimonies.html. Don’t you dare try to claim the footage is fake or the people are lying. It’s sad that you choose to believe the revisionist history produced by antisemites.

The films are all evidence of murder and the horrific conditions that Jewish people and other populations were subjected to. The hundreds of dead bodies can’t be faked. People that were alive upon liberation were walking skeletons and most of them died after liberation due to the massive abuse heaped upon them by the Nazi’s. The living conditions were purposeful with the aim of killing people.

The gas chambers existed and there is enough evidence to prove it, yet for some unfathomable reason you deny, deny, deny. I hope you actually watch the films and listen to the testimony because it’s horrific and then come back and say millions weren’t murdered by Hitler and his crew.

Near the end of the ‘Death Mills’ film, there is footage of a whole city of Germans being made to walk through a death camp and view the emaciated corpses of hundreds of the victims and the conditions in which they were forced to live. As the narrator describes, these people set off to the camp laughing like they were going on a picnic. During and after, the look of horror on their faces speaks volumes.

Don’t bother responding to this post with you patently bizarre denials that the gas chambers did not exist. I doubt you will even watch the films because they would be too much like reality for you and you would probably say it was all staged.

For anybody else who chooses to watch these films, they are horrific and difficult to take.

The Allied Troops managed to save Nazi-authored documents before they had a chance to destroy them. They have detailed reports of mass shootings and gassing. Three thousand of these documents were presented by the prosecution at the war crimes tribunals in Nuremberg. There is filmed first-hand testimony, there are the films and photos. Those who stood trial for participating in the murders (shooting, gassing etc) never stated it was all made up, what they said was they were “only following orders”.

 

You are apparently unaware of the most basic reality concerning war history; the victors' propaganda immediately becomes the official war narrative. Decades pass pass before the truth slowly starts to break out in spite of the repressive "Holocaust denial" laws needed to protect the fraudulent Holocaust narrative (2), (3)

As George Orwell observed:

"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past." (1)

I served in S.E. Asia (Laos) during the Vietnam War and am intimately familiar with psychological warfare, Psych. Ops. and war propaganda.

The American Psych. Ops. / propaganda ministry during WW 2 was the OWI (Office of War Information) and, along with Hollywood and the Holocaust Industry they produced staged,(4) Soviet style propaganda "documentaries" that succeeded in fooling most of the people most of the time.

Fortunately, the vast majority of people around the world do not believe the grisly and profitable fables about human skin lampshades, a genocidal German agenda(5), human fat soap, homicidal steam, gas(6) and electrocution(7) chambers.

Among the bizarre and fraudulent charges against the Germans in the Soviet style lynching at Nuremberg is the human "vaporizer" ( that helped to explain why there were no mass graves where they are supposed to be.

I've repeatedly tried to have a civil, honest and productive discussion about WW 2 and / or the Holocaust with people who believe the standard Holocaust narrative but, in the seven years I've been at this for, I've had little luck with people who have been professionally deceived by the masterful propagandists in Hollywood and the multi billion dollar, international Holocaust Industry.

With very rare exceptions the facts I relate are met with insults, slander, anti German bigotry and evasion ploys because they can't refute physical realities.

If you think that you can discuss a topic related to this thread honestly and with civility I'd be willing to do so.

At any rate, enjoy what's left of the weekend,




(1).https://www.forbes.com/quotes/3552/...the future; who,the present controls the past.


(2). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(3). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


(4). “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." (CONTINUED)


(5). “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


(6). “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


(7). "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


(. "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED

 

Man, these Holocaust deniers really provide zero proof except links to conspiracy sites. Forensics have proven that people were gassed along with countless eye witnesses from both sides, the Jews who survived as well as Nazi's who admitted it in trials.

 

First of all, no one here has denied that the Holocaust happened including me.
The contrived term "Holocaust denier" is simply a fraudulent misnomer for the sole purpose misrepresenting the views of others and dishonest slander.

Only a small percent of the world's population actually denies that the Holocaust happened but it's encouraging that the majority of the world does not believe the residual Allied propaganda / standard Holocaust narrative. (1)

Additionally, younger people are less likely to believe the hate filled yet profitable anti German slander that has been so successful in deceiving those with limited critical thinking skills and even less knowledge about that tragic era in which innocent people continued to be massacred, tortured, raped and forced to do slave labor long after after the war.

As late as 1947, about 4 million German POWs were working as Allied slave labor in the UK, France and the former USSR.

Regrettably, TV educated Holocaustians are oblivious to anything that hasn't been produced and / or censored by the fraudulent Holocaust industry.
What Holocaustians reflexively dismiss as "conspiracy sites" are simply independent sources that they can't refute and draw from either original documents, primary sources or respected historians.

Re:

No they haven't, in fact American Dr. John Gordon is among the Western doctors who did thousands of autopsy and not one was caused by cyanide poisoning (2)

Re:

Have been caught in countless lies. Moshe Peer claims to have been gassed 6 times. Do you believe him?

Here are some of the heavily censored eyewitness accounts that are not on TV:

"An Unproven Holocaust: The Unreliable Eyewitness Testimony to the Genocide of European Jewry"
http://www.wearswar.com/2021/05/31/...-testimony-to-the-genocide-of-european-jewry/

1. EXCERPT " Rudolf Vrba, who had escaped from Auschwitz in April of 1944, was a world-famous eyewitness to the homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Vrba confessed during his testimony at Zündel’s trial that his book I Cannot Forgive was “an artistic picture…not a document for the court.” Vrba testified that he had never actually witnessed anybody being gassed at Auschwitz, but had merely heard rumors." CONTINUED


2. EXCERPTS "One of the first to dispute reports of German genocide was Paul Rassinier.

Rassinier stated that although he suffered greatly during the war in the Buchenwald and Dora Concentration Camps, he never saw any evidence of homicidal gas chambers or any program to exterminate Jews.

Rassinier concluded that the death toll in the camps was far lower than alleged. He also concluded that the deaths in the camps were not caused by a German program of genocide,[24] but rather primarily by the poor conditions of the camps attributable to the economic collapse of Germany during a devastating war." CONTINUED


3. EXCERPTS "Thies Christophersen was another witness who said that the alleged genocide of Jews during World War II never happened.

On a number of occasions during this period he visited Birkenau where allegedly hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed to death. In his memoir The Auschwitz Lie, first published in Germany in 1973, Christophersen wrote that during the time he was at Auschwitz he did not notice the slightest evidence of mass gassings." CONTINUED


4. EXCERPTS " Another eyewitness who did not see any evidence of genocide of the Jews is Dr. Wilhelm Stäglich. Dr. Stäglich, a German judge, visited Auschwitz several times during World War II as a German orderly officer of an Anti-aircraft Detachment. Dr. Stäglich published the following account of his visits to Auschwitz:
'On none of these visits did I see gassing installations, crematoria, instruments of torture, or similar horrors. The camp gave one the impression of being well-kept and very well-organized…'" CONTINUED

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The only confessions to homicidal gas chambers, a genocidal German agenda, deliberate starvation etc were obtained by torture.
The post war Soviet style lynching in Nuremberg was so corrupt that all ethical American jurists condemned it as "... a high grade lynching", "a sanctimonious fraud", "..., "... a fantastic desecration of the ideals of Western Civilisation, and appalling miscarriage of justice." etc.

Eisenhower's more ethical brother condemned the Nuremberg lynching as: "...a black page in the history of the world…"

"President Eisenhower’s Brother, An Attorney, Condemned The Nuremberg & Eichmann Trials"
http://www.renegadetribune.com/president-eisenhowers-brother-attorney-condemned-nuremberg-eichmann-trials/

I hope you'll try to look at this tragic era more objectively and remember that if the Holocaust Industry would lie to and cheat others, they'll do the same to you.

"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


Thanks,

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(1). ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

- Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

- people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


(2). “Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas”
https://vk.com/@eric52-allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas

EXCERPT "Dr. Larson’s findings? In a 1980 newspaper interview he said: “What we’ve heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax.” And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he “was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theatre” of Allied military operations, confirmed that “never was a case of poison gas uncovered.” CONTINUED






"The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"

https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/


EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED

 

^^^^^^^
Just incredible. Was Eisenhower making up what he saw as well? Granted, Vrba did not see the gas chambers actually kill anyone or he would have died in the process. But, why were the Jews even at Auschwitz, Birkenau et. al.? Of their own choice?

 

They were slave laborers. Auschwitz was a slave labor camp which is pretty bad by itself but it wasn't a death camp.

I haven't had time to look for something that that specifically deals with that to post for you but if you watch this series, you'll see that explained.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...he-jews-part-2.610995/page-20#post-1074290299

I can't remember exactly where. Sorry.

 

Thanks for joining in this discussion. The more, the merrier.

I feel that I must clarify that I do not support National Socialism (Nazism) or any form of totalitarianism nor do deny that the Holocaust happened.

I simply feel that the German people continue to be unjustly vilified through residual Allied propaganda(1), (2) for things they either didn't do or tragedies beyond their control.

Any honest and objective evaluation of the WW 2 era must acknowledge that all sides use propaganda but when the conflict is over, only the victor's propaganda becomes the official narrative and WW 2 is a perfect example.

According to George Orwell:

"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."

About 50 years ago, I lived, studied and worked in what was then West Germany where I lived, knew and / or worked with Holocaust survivors, German WW 2 Veterans, civilian fire bombing survivors and Veterans of other Armies.

As a child, I grew up with WW 2 Veterans and, later, served with the US Army in S.E. Asia (Laos).

Perhaps it was due to my relatively brief military service in an unpopular war, the German WW 2 Veterans I came to know were quite candid with me especially after a few glasses of wine. One Russian Holocaust survivor who had been incarcerated by the Russians, Germans, French, English, Americans and Italians even claimed that of all her captors, the Germans were the kindest to her.

Re:

If you're referring to Eisenhower's book "Crusade in Europe", I think that it's important to consider a person's biases when evaluating the truthfulness of their accounts.

“God, I hate the Germans...”
— Dwight D. Eisenhower

Eisenhower's hatred toward all Germans was much more well known than his criminal Starvation Order (3) so his stories should be viewed with caution. The fact that he was a barely competent and hate filled war criminal (4) further diminishes the veracity of his accounts.

Eisenhower was not the only figure to write about WW 2. Additionally, de Gaulle and Churchill also wrote lengthy books but in all three detailed works there is absolutely no mention of a genocidal German agenda, a single homicidal gas chamber or a deliberate starvation order.

Re:

The short answer to your question is that many Jews were incarcerated because they were considered a Communist threat to Germany's war effort somewhat like the Japanese - Americans were during WW 2.

It was primarily the Jews associated with high ranking, international Communism who were incarcerated in Germany's prison system that also included rapists, murderers, thieves, pedophiles and other political prisoners. Therefore, not every one in Germany's prison system was an innocent and hapless, Jewish victim.

The Germans, like other Europeans, saw the carnage caused by the early Communists / Bolsheviks whose leadership was disproportionately Jewish (5) and feared that Jewish led Bolshevism / Communism would draw Germany into the Communist sphere (6).
Bavaria had already fallen to Communist leadership based in Moscow and the German people feared that the same thing would happen to the rest of Germany.

Naturally, not all Jews were incarcerated and most lived openly with some restrictions.
About 150,000 full and mixed Jews served in Germany's military(7) with many rising to the highest ranks and winning Germany's highest honers with the full knowledge and approval of Hitler and the German High Command.

Additionally, since some of Germany's high ranking National Socialist (Nazi) party members were full or mixed Jews, there could not have been a genocidal German agenda against the Jewish people if so many were high ranking military and party members were Jewish.

There's no denying that conditions in Germany's work camp were deplorable at the end of the war after the Allied bombing of civilian supply lines made it impossible to resupply the camps.
With the lack of adequate food or medicine, the death rates increased and the German camps were at their worst toward the end of the war.

On the other hand, there was plenty of food and medicine at Eisenhower's real "Death Camps" but millions of German POWs were denied food, shelter, and any medical care in clear violation of the Geneva Convention.

I hope I have answered your questions fully and look forward to your response.
Again, I am not attempting to minimize the suffering of any group and attempt to look at this tragic era as objectively as possible taking into consideration the extensive emotional sentiments expressed from all sides of the debate.

Thanks,


(1). “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe."


(2). “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


(3) "EISENHOWER’S STARVATION ORDER"
https://ww2truth.com/2021/10/02/eisenhowers-starvation-order/

EXCERPT "Copies of the orders were discovered recently in several villages near the Rhine … The message [which Bacque reproduces] reads in part: “… under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local inhabitants in order to deliver them to the prisoners of war. Those who violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being shot….” CONTINUED


(4). “Other Losses: An Investigation into the Mass Deaths of German Prisoners at the Hands of the French and Americans after World War II”
https://www.amazon.com/Other-Losses-Investigation-Prisoners-Americans/dp/0889226652

EXCERPT “Other Losses caused an international scandal when first published in 1989 by revealing that Allied Supreme Commander Dwight Eisenhower’s policies caused the death of some 1,000,000 German captives in American and French internment camps through disease, starvation and exposure from 1944 to 1949, as a direct result of the policies of the western Allies, who, with the Soviets, ruled as the Military Occupation Government over partitioned Germany from May 1945 until 1949.

Bacque flew to Moscow to examine the newly-opened KGB archives, where he found meticulously and exhaustively documented new proof that almost one million German POWs had indeed died in those Western camps.”CONTINUED


(5). “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish”
https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150

EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED


(6). " The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime"

"Assessing the Grim Legacy of Soviet Communism"
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

EXCERPT "Hitler was not the only European leader who expressed fear and hostility toward Communism's "International" Jewish leadership.

In 1920, Winston Churchill wrote:
"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others." CONTINUED


(7). “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

“If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED



(eight). “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED