Homeland Security unveils sweeping plan to deport undocumented immigrants

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  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    You wouldn't think there would be anything even slightly messed up about that? I can understand throwing people out who knowingly broke the law by coming here illegally, but being thrown out for being brought here as a child without any concept of what was even going on after having grown up here all of your life? I can't get on board with that.

    I agree with cracking down hard on illegal immigrants, I've made that very clear on a number of occasions around here. But even I have a point to where I can say ok come on now...

    Throwing these people out would go beyond national security in my book. That would be moving into the realm of simply being vengeful in my opinion.

    If you snuck over here as a teenager or an adult and we catch you years later than yeah by all means get the hell out of here. But if you were brought here as a 1 year old and you're now 30 and we find out then I'm alright with you staying. Give them citizenship so they can pay taxes like the rest of us. I'm more for deporting people who purposefully broke the law with the full concept of knowing what they were doing was illegal. Being brought here as a toddler isn't your fault, and even if you grow up and figure out decades later that you're in fact an illegal immigrant I don't reasonably expect you to just go home and I wouldn't blame anybody who didn't.

    To be honest I highly doubt I would....if tomorrow I found out that I was in fact an illegal immigrant and all my legal paperwork was forged and my "home" is some place in Africa then I wouldn't voluntarily just book a flight back to Africa and stay there...They'd have to come find me...This scenario would be one of the few times where I'd just knowingly break the law because I wouldn't voluntarily go "home" to a place I've never been before after over 3 decades...and I wouldn't blame anyone else who didn't either.
     
  2. Thehumankind

    Thehumankind Well-Known Member

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    The law of the land is really discriminatory,
    considering that their is that so called legality to be followed, which of course personal hatred and opinions could never undermine. No matter what they will do USA will stay as a multiracial nation made fair with the already established and entrenched laws.
     
  3. Sam Bellamy

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    I just don't see the practicality of rounding up millions of people. Not to mention the number of small businesses that would be crushed by a massive negative flow of workers. This would hurt the US even more than the illegals we care for now.
     
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    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The term is Illegal Aliens. Get it right.
    These people have crossed into our country without asking to come here and have no intention of becoming citizens.
    They do not want to be Americans.
    They act as if they were colonists.
    I will not lay down like the previous occupants of this continent.
    Those people can go to hell.
    They talk about "dreamers" who are "through no fault of their own"
    It's not my fault either.
    The culprit here is their parents.
    Deport the entire family.
     
  5. navigator2

    navigator2 Banned

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    Perhaps we should thank the sanctuary cities after all. They are like big cattle ranches saving time, effort, and money. Much easier to move the herd when they are already penned.
     
  6. trucker

    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't remember any conservative claiming that it would? But if that's the case I suggest we blame the last guy that held office, that's what the left did every time Barry pooped himself!
     
  8. ChoppedLiver

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    They can get in line at the border.

    Maybe some priority can be given.

    If the vetting process proves that they are not in the interests of the American people to be here, they can stay in the place where they ARE a citizen.
     
  9. ButterBalls

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    Excellent :) Plus the bus ride is far more cheaper than air transport.
     
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    Reagan's failure to secure the border as he promised? Hardly the truth! Watch and learn ;)

    [video=youtube;CK8MSMgeISY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUiCPRkcLMInpDeOqGk MTt4w&v=CK8MSMgeISY[/video]
    Legalize now Enforce later! In short, NEVER trust a democrat!
     
  11. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    What? The law of the land is discriminatory? What are you talking about?
     
  12. Thehumankind

    Thehumankind Well-Known Member

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    The law discriminates against the criminals,
    simple.
     
  13. Merwen

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    There are Dreamers who are already adults, and many of the rest have relatives that are legally in the US that can take them in if they wish to stay.
     
  14. Merwen

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    Farmers had better get on the stick and process their migrant farm workers properly...or not bother growing any peas and green beans this year.
     
  15. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We can still do the work visa thing.
     
  16. Merwen

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    I disagree, regarding migrant farm laborers. Their entry was deliberately enabled for years in order to exploit them economically.

    I'd like to see every single one on welfare shipped out, though.
     
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    Not as long as we keep giving their "baby mamas" welfare.
     
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    Sounds like your employer is knowingly breaking the law, and you seem to approve.
     
  19. Merwen

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    Initially it may. It will take awhile to wean habitual nonworkers off of unemployment, SSI, and welfare.
     
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    February 21, 2017 8:30 a.m. EST
    Office of the Press Secretary
    Contact: 202-282-8010

    Interior enforcement of our nation's immigration laws is critically important to the national security and public safety of the United States. Aliens who illegally enter the United States and those who overstay or otherwise violate the terms of their visas have violated our nation’s laws and can pose a threat to national security and public safety. This is particularly true for aliens who engage in criminal conduct in the United States. We are charged with faithfully executing the laws of the United States and we will not exempt classes or categories of removable aliens from potential enforcement. The Executive Order No. 13768 entitled “Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States” directs our Department and agencies to enforce the law, and we will do so professionally and humanely.


    The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) will make use of all available systems and resources to enforce the law. DHS will also ensure that aliens ordered removed from the United States are promptly removed. The victims of crimes committed by removable aliens and the families of victims will also receive support from the Department.

    Authorities

    The executive order and its implementation is grounded in authorities vested in the President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including authority of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq.) and implements responsibilities to ensure that the nation’s immigration laws are faithfully executed.

    Actions

    Enforcing the law. Under this executive order, with extremely limited exceptions, DHS will not exempt classes or categories of removal aliens from potential enforcement. All of those in violation of the immigration laws may be subject to enforcement proceedings, up to and including removal from the United States. The guidance makes clear, however, that ICE should prioritize several categories of removable aliens who have committed crimes, beginning with those convicted of a criminal offense.

    The Department’s Enforcement Priorities. Congress has defined the Department’s role and responsibilities regarding the enforcement of the immigration laws of the United States. Effective immediately, and consistent with Article II, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution and Section 3331 of Title 5, U.S. Code, Department personnel shall faithfully execute the immigration laws of the United States against all removable aliens.

    Strengthening Programs to Facilitate the Efficient and Faithful Execution of the Immigration Laws of the United States. Facilitating the efficient and faithful execution of the immigration laws of the United States—and prioritizing the Department’s resources—requires the use of all available systems and enforcement tools by Department personnel.

    Exercise of Prosecutorial Discretion. Unless otherwise directed, Department personnel may initiate enforcement actions against removable aliens encountered during the performance of their official duties. Department personnel should act consistently with the President’s enforcement priorities as identified in his executive order and any further guidance issued by the director of ICE, the commissioner of CBP, and the director of USCIS prioritizing the removal of particularly dangerous aliens, such as convicted felons, gang members, and drug traffickers.

    Establishing the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office. The Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office within the Office of the Director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) will create a programmatic liaison between ICE and the known victims of crimes committed by removable aliens. The liaison will facilitate engagement with the victims and their families to ensure, to the extent permitted by law, that they are provided with information about the offender, including the offender’s immigration status and custody status, and that their questions and concerns regarding immigration enforcement efforts are addressed.

    Hiring Additional ICE Officers and Agents. To effectively enforce the immigration laws in the interior of the United States in accordance with the president’s directives, additional ICE agents and officers are necessary. The director of ICE shall—while ensuring consistency in training and standards—take all appropriate action to expeditiously hire 10,000 agents and officers, as well as additional mission support and legal staff necessary to support their activities.

    Establishment of Programs to Collect Authorized Civil Fines and Penalties. As soon as practicable, the director of ICE, the commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and the director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) shall issue guidance and promulgate regulations, where required by law, to ensure the assessment and collection of all fines and penalties for which the Department is authorized under the law to assess and collect from removable aliens and from those who facilitate their unlawful presence in the United States.

    Aligning the Department’s Privacy Policies with the Law. The Department will no longer afford Privacy Act rights and protections to persons who are neither U.S. citizens nor lawful permanent residents.

    Collecting and Reporting Data on Alien Apprehensions and Releases. The collection of data regarding aliens apprehended by ICE and the disposition of their cases will assist in the development of agency performance metrics and provide transparency in the immigration enforcement mission.
    No Private Right of Action. This document provides only internal DHS policy guidance, which may be modified, rescinded, or superseded at any time without notice.



    Release Date: February 21, 2017
    February 21, 2017 8:30 a.m. EST
    Office of the Press Secretary
    Contact: 202-282-8010

    Federal immigration law both imposes the responsibility and provides the means for the federal government, in cooperation with the states, to secure the nation's borders. The purpose of this order is to direct executive departments and agencies to deploy all lawful means to secure the nation's southern border with Mexico, to prevent further illegal immigration into the United States, and to repatriate illegal aliens swiftly, consistently, and humanely.

    This includes, among other provisions, establishing operational control of the border, establishing and controlling a physical barrier, detaining illegal aliens at or near the border, ending the practice of “catch and release,” and returning aliens to the territory from which they came pending formal proceedings.

    This order also directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to hire an additional 5,000 border agents and to empower state and local law enforcement to support federal enforcement of immigration law, to the maximum extent permitted by law, and to ensure that prosecution guidelines place a high priority on crimes having a nexus to our southern border.

    Authorities

    This executive order and its implementation is grounded in authorities vested in the President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq.) (INA), the Secure Fence Act of 2006 (Public Law 109 367) (Secure Fence Act), and the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Public Law 104 208 Div. C) (IIRIRA), in furtherance of the safety and territorial integrity of the United States as well as responsibilities to ensure that the nation's immigration laws are faithfully executed.

    Actions

    Enforcing the law. Under this executive order, with extremely limited exceptions, DHS will not exempt classes or categories of removal aliens from potential enforcement. All of those in violation of the immigration laws may be subject to enforcement proceedings, up to and including removal from the United States. The guidance makes clear, however, that ICE should prioritize several categories of removable aliens who have committed crimes, beginning with those convicted of a criminal offense.

    Establishing policies regarding the apprehension and detention of aliens. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) will release aliens from custody only under limited circumstances, such as when removing them from the country, when an alien obtains an order granting relief by statute, when it is determined that the alien is a U.S. citizen, legal permanent resident, refugee, or asylee, or that the alien holds another protected status, when an arriving alien has been found to have a credible fear of persecution or torture and the alien satisfactorily establishes his identity and that he is not a security or flight risk, or when otherwise required to do so by statute or order by a competent judicial or administrative authority.

    Hiring more CBP agents and officers. CBP will immediately begin the process of hiring 5,000 additional Border Patrol agents, as well as 500 Air & Marine agents and officers, while ensuring consistency in training and standards.

    Identifying and quantifying sources of aid to Mexico. The President has directed the heads of all executive departments to identify and quantify all sources of direct and indirect federal aid or assistance to the government of Mexico. DHS will identify all sources of aid for each of the last five fiscal years.
    Expansion of the 287(g) program in the border region. Section 287(g) of the INA authorizes written agreements with a state or political subdivision to authorize qualified officers or employees to perform the functions of an immigration officer. Empowering state and local law enforcement agencies to assist in the enforcement of federal immigration law is critical to an effective enforcement strategy, and CBP and ICE will work with interested and eligible jurisdictions.
    Commissioning a comprehensive study of border security. DHS will conduct a comprehensive study of the security of the southern border (air, land, and maritime) to identify vulnerabilities and provide recommendations to enhance border security. This will include all aspects of the current border security environment, including the availability of federal and state resources to develop and implement an effective border security strategy that will achieve complete operational control of the border.

    Constructing and funding a border wall. DHS will immediately identify and allocate all sources of available funding for the planning, design, construction, and maintenance of a wall, including the attendant lighting, technology (including sensors), as well as patrol and access roads, and develop requirements for total ownership cost of this project.

    Expanding expedited removal. The DHS Secretary has the authority to apply expedited removal provisions to aliens who have not been admitted or paroled into the United States, who are inadmissible, and who have not been continuously physically present in the United States for the two-year period immediately prior to the determination of their inadmissibility, so that such aliens are immediately removed unless the alien is an unaccompanied minor, intends to apply for asylum or has a fear of persecution or torture in their home country, or claims to have lawful immigration status. To date, expedited removal has been exercised only for aliens encountered within 100 air miles of the border and 14 days of entry, and aliens who arrived in the United States by sea other than at a port of entry. The Department will publish in the Federal Register a new Notice Designating Aliens Subject to Expedited Removal Under Section 235(b)(1)(a)(iii) of the Immigration and Nationality Act that expands the category of aliens subject to expedited removal to the extent the DHS Secretary determines is appropriate, and CBP and ICE are directed to conform the use of expedited removal procedures to the designations made in this notice upon its publication.

    Returning aliens to contiguous countries. When aliens apprehended do not pose a risk of a subsequent illegal entry, returning them to the foreign contiguous territory from which they arrived, pending the outcome of removal proceedings, saves DHS detention and adjudication resources for other priority aliens. CBP and ICE personnel shall, to the extent lawful, appropriate and reasonably practicable, return such aliens to such territories pending their hearings.

    Enhancing Asylum Referrals and Credible Fear Determinations. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) officers will conduct credible fear interviews in a manner that allows the interviewing officer to elicit all relevant information from the alien as is necessary to make a legally sufficient determination. USCIS will also increase the operational capacity of the Fraud Detection and National Security Directorate.

    Allocating resources and personnel to the southern border for detention of aliens and adjudication of claims. CBP and ICE will allocate available resources to expand detention capabilities and capacities at or near the border with Mexico to the greatest extent practicable. CBP will focus on short-term detention of 72 hours or less; ICE will focus on all other detention capabilities.

    Properly using parole authority. Parole into the United States will be used sparingly and only in cases where, after careful consideration of the circumstances, parole is needed because of demonstrated urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit. Notwithstanding other more general implementation guidance, and pending further review by the Secretary and further guidance from the Director of ICE, the ICE policy directive with respect to parole for certain arriving aliens found to have a credible fear of persecution or torture shall remain in full force and effect.

    Processing and treatment of unaccompanied alien minors encountered at the border. CBP, ICE, and USCIS will establish standardized review procedures to confirm that alien children who are initially determined to be unaccompanied alien children continue to fall within the statutory definition when being considered for the legal protections afforded to such children as they go through the removal process.

    Putting into place accountability measures to protect alien children from exploitation and prevent abuses of immigration laws. The smuggling or trafficking of alien children into the United States puts those children at grave risk of violence and sexual exploitation. CBP and ICE will ensure the proper enforcement of our immigration laws against those who facilitate such smuggling or trafficking.

    Prioritizing criminal prosecutions for immigration offenses committed at the border. To counter the ongoing threat to the security of the southern border, the directors of the Joint Task Forces-West, -East, and -Investigations, as well as the ICE-led Border Enforcement Security Task Forces (BESTs), are directed to plan and implement enhanced counter-network operations directed at disrupting transnational criminal organizations, focused on those involved in human smuggling.
    Public Reporting of Border Apprehensions Data. In order to promote transparency, CBP and ICE will develop a standardized method for public reporting of statistical data regarding aliens apprehended at or near the border for violating the immigration law.


    What is the 287(g) and how will it be used by ICE?

    A11: The 287(g) program allows local law enforcement agencies to participate as an active partner in identifying criminal aliens in their custody, and placing ICE detainers on these individuals. Removing criminal aliens from our communities produces a higher level of public safety for everyone. To strengthen the 287(g) program, ICE field leadership has begun examining local operational needs and liaising with potential 287(g) partners. Existing 287(g) applications are also undergoing an expedited review process.
     
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    You are aware, I hope, that the bill Reagan signed had THREE parts to it.

    1. Grant amnesty to the illegal alien criminals that are already here.

    2. Provide for employer sanctions for employers that hire the illegal alien criminal.

    3. Strengthen and enforce security at the border to keep the illegal alien criminal(s) from coming here illegally.

    Not long after signing that bill, the dims that controlled congress funded the amnesty part and fully implemented it.

    Yet, at the same time, stripped funds for employer sanctions and border security.

    Do you still want to blame Reagan for this mess?
     
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    Sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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    Deporting upto 20 million illegals would solve any housing shortage for starters?

    “There are currently 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country by many estimates, but the real numbers could be much higher and the numbers increase every day because our borders are not secure."

    http://www.cairco.org/issues/how-many-illegal-aliens-reside-united-states

    '15 to 20 million'? :eekeyes: And 'the real numbers could be much higher'? :eekeyes: :eekeyes:
     
  25. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    As I pointed out, it's asinine to not deport the kids along with their parents. The kids are illegal aliens as well. By not deporting them it provides an excuse to not deport the parents. Therefore, at the end of the day, no one will get deported.
     

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