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How to get expelled from school - AGW brainwashing our kids at school

Discussion in 'Australia, NZ, Pacific' started by dumbanddumber, Dec 15, 2011.

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  1. Uncle Meat

    Uncle Meat Banned

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    Completely relevant.

    What's your answer?
     
    Uncle Meat, Dec 18, 2011
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  2. efjay

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    dont hold your breath waiting for it.
     
    efjay, Dec 18, 2011
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  3. Uncle Meat

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    Well, if I hold my breath I won't be putting any of that naughty CO2 into the atmosphere. :mrgreen:
     
    Uncle Meat, Dec 18, 2011
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  4. Uncle Meat

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    Totally relevant.

    What's your answer?

    Maybe buggy can help you (he might have "a pretty good idea").

    Do any of the AGW disciples have an answer?
     
    Uncle Meat, Dec 18, 2011
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  5. efjay

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    i would like em to try explain the medieval warm period too
     
    efjay, Dec 18, 2011
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  6. Uncle Meat

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    Knowing their "science", they'll probably tell you it has something to do with the cars that dinosaurs were driving back then.

    LOL

    Of all the religions, I think AGW is the funniest.

    :-D
     
    Uncle Meat, Dec 18, 2011
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  7. Uncle Meat

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    Can't find anything on wiki?

    [​IMG]
     
    Uncle Meat, Dec 18, 2011
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  8. Uncle Meat

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    Where did they go efjay?

    You asked a simple question, and all the AGW disciples disappeared.

    Perhaps the AGW religion prohibits them from discussing "science" on Sunday afternoons. (???)

    Perhaps they just overheated. :-D
     
    Uncle Meat, Dec 18, 2011
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  9. efjay

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    LOL
    Its funny that they run away and sook when asked simple questions about their cult
     
    efjay, Dec 18, 2011
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  10. Uncle Meat

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    Yes, although most cults and radical religions follow that modus operandi.

    They prefer to be on the attack: their defense mechanisms are usually quite inadequate.
     
    Uncle Meat, Dec 18, 2011
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  11. m2catter

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    My answer? Use common sense!
    A price on carbon is one way, dealing with all related issues another way,
    but stickinhg our head under the sand won't help at all...
     
    m2catter, Dec 18, 2011
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  12. m2catter

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    Again, especially for you, as you have problems understanding me.
    It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter at all, whether climate change occured before industrilization or during. Of course it occured before. And even faster since. But at the end its irrelevant. Totally irrelevant.
    We have to deal with todays and tomorrows problems, that's all what counts. Understood now?
     
    m2catter, Dec 18, 2011
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  13. Uncle Meat

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    Wrong question.

    The question was:

    " ... so what caused climate change BEFORE man started to industrialize????"

    Want to divert again, or answer the actual question?
     
    Uncle Meat, Dec 18, 2011
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    So, do you support the AGW hypothesis?
     
    Uncle Meat, Dec 18, 2011
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    so YOU think its irrelevant that the climate has in the past been WARMER, and that warm period was BEFORE mans industrialization? Really?? Are you that deep in the cult you have lost all ability of free thought? I pity you bud, i really do.

    But as meat has said...you failed to answer the question. What do you think caused climate change BEFORE man industrialized?
     
    efjay, Dec 18, 2011
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    irrelevant, deal with the problems now, that is all what counts....
     
    m2catter, Dec 18, 2011
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    again irrelevant, see previous post
     
    m2catter, Dec 18, 2011
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  18. Uncle Meat

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    In order to deal with a problem, we need to know what caused it.

    What causes climate change?

    Humans?
     
    Uncle Meat, Dec 18, 2011
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    NOT irrelevant at all. The planet has been through this very same "problem" before and will do so again. But the question put to you was WHAT CAUSED CLIMATE CHANGE BEFORE MAN INDUSTRIALIZED?
    Stop sidestepping.
     
    efjay, Dec 18, 2011
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    I think you are missing the point here. The simple fact is that there is big MONEY in the carbon theory for some people. Some people don`t like their religions to be called into question.
     
    aussiefree2ride, Dec 18, 2011
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  21. m2catter

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    As for the last century or so climate change and global warming are appearing at a much faster rate, it could be argued, that mankind's lifestyle has something to do with that.
    Scientists could prove by looking at earth samples, that at no time in history changes occured at that kind of speed.
    What is it that you don't understand here? Time to tell our kids in school, that to some extent we are facing men made problems........
     
    m2catter, Dec 18, 2011
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  22. Uncle Meat

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    Yes, it could be argued.
    However, there is not enough convincing, conclusive evidence to support the argument.

    Scientists could "prove" no such thing. Stick to the facts please.

    I don't understand why the AGW disciples are such narrow-minded zealots.

    We "may" be facing man made problems. Stick to the facts please.
     
    Uncle Meat, Dec 18, 2011
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    There are many things that have caused the earths climate to change and continue to cause the earths climate to change

    Orbital variations
    Variations in solar irradiance
    Tectonic movement
    Volcanic activity
    etc etc...and the various feedback mechanisms which act in response to these various stimuli.

    In recent decades however we have observed warming due to the increase in the concentration of greenhouse gasses. This increase is due to anthropogenic emissions.


    Now Uncle - are you ever going to answer the question as to why you consider that none of the vast amount of evidence indicating that anthropogenic emissions are in fact causing the planet to warm is "credible"

    You have been asked many times - but don't seem to be able to answer.

    Why is the surface temperature record "not credible"?
    Why is the ocean temperature record "not credible"?
    Why is the stratospheric temperature record "not credible"?
    Why is the glacial mass balance record "not credible"?
    Why is the sea level record "not credible"?
    Why is the downward longwave radiation record "not credible"?
    Why is the outgoing longwave radiation record "not credible"?
    Why is the atmospheric 13C/12C ratio record "not credible"?
     
    bugalugs, Dec 19, 2011
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    It is your claim. Why can't you support it?

    You claimed there were errors on Flannery's book. What are they?

    Why do you keep avoiding simple questions?

    You made an accusation. Where is your evidence?

    Or are you simply regurgitating crap you read on some nutjobs blog?

    We both know the answer - don't we.
     
    bugalugs, Dec 19, 2011
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  25. bugalugs

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    Fair enough


    That wasn't the question.

    I asked:
    Are you denying the evidence that the majority of this increase in atmospheric CO2 has been anthropogenic?

    FYI - it is. It can be determined by measuring the c12/c13 ration of the CO2
    http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1984/JD089iD07p11731.shtml

    Please stop trying to pursue that line of argument. It is really really stupid.

    Yes - we know the concentrations of atmospheric CO2 are relatively small. That does not mean that a significant increase will have a significant impact.

    Do you know what CFCs are? Do you understand the impact that they have had on the ozone layer? Do you understand that they are measured in parts per trillion?


    "95% of global warming is due to water vapour"?!?!
    Please don't just make stuff up. It is really dumb to do that.

    But if your little hypothesis were correct - what is causing the increase in water vapour?

    Fair enough


    Part of "earth's vibrant form"?!?!? WTF?!?!
    Pick that one up on a trip to Nimbin did you?!?

    The question was:
    "Are you denying the evidence that glacial mass balance is decreasing?"

    It is.
    http://www.nichols.edu/departments/glacier/glacier_retreat.htm

    Re: sea ice extent. It is also decreasing.
    http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
    NB - the Arctic is a polar ice cap - the Antarctic is a continental land mass. They are very different things. You would do well to try to remember that.

    So it looks like you have run out of answers quickly.

    Tell us - why do you think that that NASA link is relevant to any of this discussion? Any clues? You have lost me.
    (you will excuse me if I don't bother with your dumb denier blog)
     
    bugalugs, Dec 19, 2011
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