Illegals Pouring Into Our Country

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  1. RP12

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    Affirmative action have a non progressive explain it to you ;)

    There are going to be caps and restrictions with any immigration policy. That does not mean they are racist.

    Ok lets try this do you think there should be any restrictions whatsoever to how many people we allow to become legal citizens a year?
     
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    If we moved the folks in Mexico willing to cross a dessert in the dead of night to find better work to the U.S. and moved the 55% of American's who pay no income tax and won't move off their couch to find work into Mexico it would be a heck of a good start at trying to make America competitive again as a nation.

    We still wouldn't be on top of the heap, but we might have a chance at fighting our way back to second place.



     
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    You might want to look at unemployment rates... Careful someone might call your comments racist ;)
     
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    Kids as young as 2 were able to make it across the desert. Obviously it can't be as hard as you apparently think it is.

    If these people are so great, why are their home countries 3rd world hellholes?

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    lol, exactly.
     
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    When they're applied based on a person's ethnicity, that's ethnic discrimination. You don't want to call that racism... I don't really care.

    And while I'm not opposed to some overall cap, no I don't see any immediate need to limit the number of folks willing to work here.




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    I'll take your word for it: when you've tried it.




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    They'd be in error. The criteria isn't based on race.




     
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    I get that you have a lot of respect for the border hopping criminals and the lengths they go to in order to break the law. Mod edit, flounder 3
     
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    Please describe these set of rules we apply to one ethnicity that we don't apply to another? We can not allow unfettered immigration today as we did 100-150 years ago. A nation can only allow as many in as the economy can support. When you have 20 million people that are already unemployed, it makes no sense to have unfettered borders. If your thinking that we have made it harder to bring in Hispanics, you need to realize that Hispanics already make up the second largest racial group in our country. So I find it hard to see how they would be discriminated against as far as immigration goes.
     
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    Please describe these set of rules we apply to one ethnicity that we don't apply to another? We can not allow unfettered immigration today as we did 100-150 years ago. A nation can only allow as many in as the economy can support. When you have 20 million people that are already unemployed, it makes no sense to have unfettered borders. If your thinking that we have made it harder to bring in Hispanics, you need to realize that Hispanics already make up the second largest racial group in our country. So I find it hard to see how they would be discriminated against as far as immigration goes.
     
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    Not a dodge, I'm flat out declining to answer your inappropriate question. Make whatever assumptions you choose and entertain whatever prejudices you enjoy. I have no interest in hearing them.



     
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    It's not inappropriate, at all. If someone on this forum is talking about white nationalism, don't you think it would be relevant if that person is white?
     
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    Liberals think economy is a zero sum game, that you can only get value by depriving someone else of it. It's not true. You could flood this nation with folks and grow the economy because of it, rather than in spite of it.

    I never said anything about Hispanics, that was the beer guy who wanted a hook to hang his prejudices on.



     
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    No. And the forum rules are pretty clear on it — #2 "When replying to a post, your own post must be about the post to which you are replying, not the poster themselves." It's inappropriate, you're violating the terms of service. Cut it out.




     
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    Establishing sources of bias is important in an argument. It's why people look at which source a poster chooses to rely on when making an argument.
     
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    Why not tell that to France. They are one of the Euro nations that has open borders and now asking them to be closed. So far, France has had two big riots there because of lack of jobs for many of the immigrants that came there and not enough work. As a matter of fact, most of the European Union are asking for closing their borders.

    I find it funny that we have people asking America to do what most other countries won't do. There is a reason this country has value, it wasn't given to us. What makes you think that we should just open up our borders to anyone and everyone who wants in to to take the value others have worked for? What other country does what you want America to do?
     
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    Depends on who you flood the country with. If you flood the country with people from the 3rd world who have very low literacy rates and education, as well as no money, then they become little more than drains on the social safety nets.
     
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    Not Mexican folks.

    Europeans, sure. Japanese, definitely. Indians, of course. Chinese...50/50.

    But not Mexicans. Any job they do is living on borrowed time until a robot replaces them.

    We need technical ability, not Manuel labor.
     
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    One thing we have done is try and let so many in from all ethnic groups and yes we do try and give those with special skills priority over those with little to no skills. That is because we are in a technical war with all other industrial nations and to be competitive we want to give those with skills priority to help us stay competitive. That sir is how America got value that you talk about. If we just threw our border open to any and everyone who wanted in, we soon would be no better than the country those people seeking value came from.
     
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    Considering how high Black Unemployment is you might want to respond to your ship the unemployed into Mexico line. Also not every one that comes over the border is looking for work but you keep repeating that... Why? Why lie?
     
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    We need manual labor too.

    But it should done by uneducated American citizens not illegals from Mexico,
     
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    World War II was another example where people asked America to do what most countries wouldn't.



     
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    I have no idea whats you're saying. Do you?



     
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    I agree w/ everything u say here except THIS

    you must be male

    when someone has been beating on you daily for a few months, then we can come & ask u if this is a humanitarian issue




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    There is ALWAYS conflict around the world. We cannot let everyone in here to be placed on subsidies, housed, fed and given medical care. Thanks to Obama's mishandling, the entire Middle East is right now in more turmoil than it's been in decades......so what do you want to do, bring all those fleeing here as well? It's being portrayed as turmoil and a humanitarian crisis by this administration, but it's the stuff that goes on ALL THE TIME in these Central American countries. One woman getting off the bus the other day said she'd left her home in Hondurus because her husband beat her. Well, well, well.....we have plenty of that going on here....and GANGS as well. Thanks to Obama we'll have MUCH more....and our problems will continue to grow and our families will be in danger.
     
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    Sounds like the problem is with entitlements, not immigration.



     
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    No, I'm a female. And no....being beaten by one's husband does not constitute a "humanitarian crisis." Are you aware WE, the U.S., has plenty of wife-beaters here???? Ever watch "Cops??" Ever read the local papers??
     
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