Illegals Pouring Into Our Country

Those original quotas were put in place so that america would keep it's ethnic identity.

Ppl were smart in those days.

 

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/04/1...d-states-2008/

Mexico is both the largest in illegal immigrants and in legal immigrants.

http://travel.state.gov/content/visa...fice-2013.html
Mexico also has the highest total visas issued per any other country in the world. http://travel.state.gov/content/dam/...t-TableIII.pdf
And the highest Immigrant Visas Issued and Adjustments of Status numbers. http://travel.state.gov/content/dam/...ort-TableV.pdf

 

As I said here:
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=360210&p=1063969960#post1063969960

It's the child-tax credit, not the EITC. It's $4.2 billion, not $12 billion. Giving the IRS authority and resources to verify such claims would save us about $1 billion.

Your claim was inaccurate, and the amount of money involved means it's not a serious factor in the debate over what to do about illegal immigration.

 

Yeah, my northern european grandparents, who looked like the northern europeans who were already here.

Now we're bringing millions of people who came out from under a ziggerut in tenochtitlan.

 

Here's what the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of AMERICAN LATINOS want to "do about illegal immigration" :



Poll: 60 Percent of Hispanics Back ‘Enforcement First’ Approach to Immigration Reform


A majority of Hispanic voters think legal status to illegal immigrants should be granted only after a goal of stopping 90 percent of future illegal immigration has been acheived, according to a new survey by GOP pollster John McLaughlin.

By a margin of 60 percent to 34 percent, registered Hispanic voters said they supported granting legal status to illegal immigrants “only when the 90% goal is reached.” Hispanic adults backed the proposal by a nearly identical margin — 60 percent to 32 percent.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ment-first-approach-immigration-reform-andrew

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Looks like they didn't get the Sorosed-in memo...

 

Even Cesar Chavez and Martin Luther King opposed illegal immigration. Apparently they didn't know as much about the issue as white union workers from Minnesota, an area not likely to experience too many illegals coming there.

 

We are the richest country in the world and have one of the smallest population densities. We absolutely have the room and the money.

 

Tell it......and here's the lie Ted Kennedy told when he sponsored the immigration bill in 1965 that changed this country demographically forever:

"Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same … Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset … Contrary to the charges in some quarters, S.500 will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and economically deprived nations of Africa and Asia. In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think. "

Liberal 'progressives' are just lying sacks of sheet.......after one generation the ethnic cleansing of Whites is almost complete.

 

It's nice having a small population density. Open spaces, nature, etc. Why do you want to turn the US into something that resembles India? I suspect your environmentalist friends wouldn't agree with you.

Our nearly 17 trillion dollar debt, 100 trillion dollar unfunded liabilities, and yearly deficits in the hundreds of billions disagrees with your claim that we have the money to take in all of the world's poor children. Your goal is clearly national suicide.

 

Yep, soon we can be like Mexico or Guatemala........problem is when we become like Mexico or Guatemala where do people go to get away from the poverty and crime.........I can't wait until we have bodies hanging from bridges here....just like in Mexico. Why can't you 'progressives' get that we built something special here.......something the rest of the world wants......something that will be destroyed if we let millions of people come here who couldn't build functioning societies in their own countries. The wealth of a nation is based on the DNA of its populace......why is that so hard to friggin' understand?

 

It was neither vague nor subjective. I provided you two detailed links, including a CBO report.

You cite a report by FAIR, an anti-immigration group, known for making dubious assumptions to support their claims. That same article notes that another study shows a net $10 billion cost for the ENTIRE COUNTRY.

The comprehensive reviews by CBO and FactCheck both arrive at the conclusion that the net cost is modest.

Your argument makes no sense. Illegal mmigration is a national responsibility, so obviously the nation as a whole should provide assistance to the border communities that are bearing the brunt of illegal immigration. Or do you think that it's fair for, say, Brownville to bear all the cost for decisions made in Washington?

As the article notes, the one group directly affected by illegal immigration is high-school dropouts: on average, their wages are down 3.6% because of illegal immigration.

But because other groups actually see their wages increase because of illegal immigration, the net effect on Americans' income is zero.

I'm not saying we should just shrug our shoulders about the effect on high-school dropouts. We should be helping high-school dropouts learn skills and move up the labor chain anyway; this just provides additional incentive to do so.

But in the context of "how big a problem is illegal immigration, and what should we spend on stopping it?", the net effect on our income is zero, so it's not worth spending a ton of money to stop.

And you make another completely illogical claim. My whole post is about how the cost of illegal immigration is modest; I never said it was non-existent. I've merely said that the cost of addressing a problem shouldn't exceed the cost of the problem.

Here's my stance on illegal immigration:
http://midtopia.blogspot.com/2006/04/how-to-manage-illegal-immigration.html

I argue that it deserves to be regulated for national security reasons, if nothing else. I then propose a bunch of ways to reduce both the supply and demand side of the problem, while keeping in mind that hugely expensive tactics make no sense.

 

"Illegals Pouring Into Our Country"

"Our" country?

Incredibly it appears that conservative Americans haven't yet received the memo and gotten a handle on the situation.

FYI the United States consists of two Americas. One of the Americas is the fast-dwindling remnants of conservative America, and the other America is the omnipowerful Democrat America.

When one speaks of "our" country, they are referring to Democrats who own America. Democrats say they wholeheartedly welcome all immigrants to "our" (their) country.

Gracias

 

That's pretty funny. A partisan poll from the same firm that predicted Cantor would win his primary race by 34 percent.

Way to pick reliable sources. :ROFL:

 

Yes, that's right. The quotas were set to match the percentage of each nationality already living in America. They talked about a melting pot of many nationalities, languages and cultures, but clearly the goal was to permit only immigrants who looked and sounded like those already here.

But the new immigrants, legal or not, generally desire to stay and become tax-paying Americans, learn the language and get educated and improve their lives and especially the lives of their children. Their goals are no different from the Irish fleeing the potato famine.

I'm undecided right now as to whether the opposition has more to do with loss of jobs, or with the (temporary) cost of social support systems, or whether it's motivated more by xenophobia as you suggest.

 

LOL. If we had the population density of Europe, our entire population would fit inside the borders of Texas.

So I don't think overcrowding is going to be a problem any time soon.

Have you ever considered the obstacles that illegal immigrants have to overcome to arrive in this country? Leave their homes and families and travel thousands of miles northward to the border -- beset along the way by all sorts of problems, from police to criminals that prey on such migrants.

Arrive at the border, and pay a coyote thousands of dollars to smuggle you across -- hoping he will actually do so, and not just rob you and leave you to die.

Increasingly, the illegal routes into the country cross through the border desert, where lots of would-be immigrants die before they reach the other side.

Then once they're here, they must hide out from authorities while working multiple low-wage jobs in order to survive and send money back home.

These aren't the lazy moochers -- the lazy moochers couldn't overcome half of those barriers. These are motivated people, seeking a better life. Indeed, other than the fact that they're here illegally, they're EXACTLY the sort of people we want -- the sort of people who have helped build this country since its founding.

 

Alas,there are two costs: economic (dollar) costs, and political costs. These two are not necessarily related. The US isn't pouring billions of dollars into protecting the economic interests of high school dropouts! Who would seriously expect that money to be spent, if the illegal immigrants were coming from Canada?

 

America was to be a melting pot in that it would be place where white folks from europe could come, forget their differences and become one people. and it worked.

since then, the left has warped the idea of a melting pot to include people from all over the world and that will never work, ever.

and i don't buy that most new immigrants want to come here and assimilate. immigrants from europe, japan, some parts of asia, maybe.

but i don't buy that when it comes to africans, south americans, chinese, muslims, mexicans etc. for the most part, they want to come here and form enclaves, which they have already done here, in europe and in canada.

 

A couple of years ago....maybe. He's also been granting legal permanent resident status for over 1 million a year since 2010.

Obama Slows Deportations In 2013

 

"tiny", "not fully", "modest", "almost invisible" are all qualifying vague and subjective phrases in your assessment.

Factcheck and CBO also say the following: "no agreement exists as to the size of, or even the best way of measuring, that cost on a national level." What's clear is that the cost is in the billions of dollars, spent on people who shouldn't even be here according to US law. But it's no surprise you're willing to break the law when it helps your left-wing goals.

A national responsiblity, so why aren't they doing anything? Why aren't they securing the border and deporting illegals? Why are they trying to spend additional billions on the unaccompanied minors who are crossing the border in the tens of thousands?

The only good thing about this is that this story proves that Democrats who were claiming that we already had secure borders were lying. If tens of thousands of children can illegally enter the country, we don't have secure borders.

We're already spending money, as we've determined. The cited articles have already said that the problem is getting worse, not better, as more and more illegals continue to come here. Stopping the problem now would pay dividends in the future. We shouldn't be unwilling to enforce laws simply because of the cost involved, especially when there is no evidence that deporting illegals is going to cost more than continuing to allow anyone who wants to come here to remain.

Who cares about your blog? And LOL at your claim at being a "moderate".

 

No they are not.........they look or act nothing like my ancestors............

 

My Grand Parents immigrated to the U.S. LEGALLY!!

 

Sounds like we should retain all those barriers, and even increase them, BUT welcome with open arms those who survive it. I agree that any country benefits from people willing to take risks and work hard.

 

they are seeking to turn the southwest into north mexico.

we took it from them in battle back in 1848 and they haven't forgotten.

 

The way it goes now illegal aliens do the dirty jobs while lazy Obama voters sit at home drawing welfare.

 

I think you have put your finger on the heart of the problem. It's not that they're illegal, it's that they are colored. We don't want those kinds of people here. This is a WHITE country, dammit!