In Ukraine, the former KGB officer accused of killing 65-year-old

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  1. Ninian

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    These are not the words with which I have adressed you.
     
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    First of all, nobody needs excuses, but the children. People have reasons, have responsibilities. That they have to explain, and have to bear.

    Second - modern generation is to judge all the people from the past, learn their stories, and take a lessons out of them. To be better people, to have better world, to avoid mistakes of the past. Yes, judging some one for crimes of distant past is rather fruitful, since they are likely soon to face the end of their life, and hopefully regretted the crime during their lifetime. But that does not means, we should forget that on any side, there may have been - and actually were - the people who did terrible things. That such people have nothing to excuse them, that they had their choises. Hard, painful - but choises never the less. That we have choises. Painful, sometimes. And that we will bear no less responsibility for whatever choises we will make in our life. Same goes for each. And every. Human being. On Earth.
     
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    With no exceptions.
     
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    Well, you started to talk about excuses, so I noted that the winners do not need them. When I talk about judgment I speak about the people who try to apply the norms of behavior during peace times to the war times. Noone knows, how the people who live now would behave at that times, and at the specific circumstances. The last, but not the least thing is that anything that brought to the public, should have solid proofs, which is apparently not the case now. The only aim of such actions in Ukraine and Latvia is to bring down the contribution which was done by Soviet soldiers during WW2 and re-write the history. This often happens before the celebration of Victory in the Great Patriotic war in May in Russia. All is IMHO.
     
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    Seems neither do you, military bases or no, pearl was attacked and had this not taken place, the war in the Pacific would have dragged on for months after if not longer. And a "message to stalin"? Sure, since your koba had ideas of venturing further to the English channel. The Berlin airlift of 49 was a prime example.
     
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    What nonsence you are talking about? Was Pearl Harbor attacked with atomic bombs? No. That is the end of the argument.The US is the only country that used nuclear weapons against civilians. By the way, the war did not continue for months with Japan as Stalin promised to attack Japan after the end of war in Europe which he did.
     
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    Well by the looks of it, the bombs worked and brought about a quick end, and btw vis, had the russkis had the same device, they wouldn't have hesitated to use on Germany, so it's really a moot point. And yeah, stalin went after the Japs, after usa helped you defeat Germany, had we not, the Japs would've taken the Kurils, which they claim is theirs anyway.
     
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    Some information about this guy.
    He was an Ukrainian nazi. He took part in executions personally. What kind of executions? Nothing interesting. According of inside reports of KGB, usually they sawed a living person by saw. But there were and more smart pranks. Estimate this:

    1. take a pregnant woman
    2. cut out a fetus of the pregnant women
    3. sew inward the woman a cat. Alive cat...

    This all was documented by KGB and you could find reports in Internet. Germans disdained Ukrainian nazi.
     
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    And I'll add another, in essence the Russians did use a nuke..in Ukraine...in a most indirect way, Chernobyl. So as I said it a moot point. How many people's were evacuated250k+, for starters, how many dead, ahahahaha, anyone's guess, thousands, from cancer, thyroid, direct exposure, and birth defects by the thousands, and how many more thousands born with their genetic DNA rewritten? Some conspiracy nuts will say it was an "experiment on ukranians", leaves it open to debate.
     
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    KGB, doesn't that stand for"kinda good boys"? So I'm assuming the kinda good boys didn't perform torture, or other horrible acts?
     
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    In a sence you just said a plain lie. But I assume no matter how many of us die, your appetite cannot be quenched.
     
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    I woukd absolutely love it if all of those NKVD Turd eating pigs who are still alive could be brought to justice. Sadly too many NKVD Turd eating pigs retired in The Krym - Crimea and therefore not reachable being thatvThe Kramer is under Russian occupation and Russia does not care about it's crimes against humanity.
     
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    Do not put equasion between Soviet Union and Russian Federation, when it comes to actions of government. If you want to quench a thirst for soviet blood - learn to raise dead.
     
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    Before you equate the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan with the murderous deeds of the NKVD is beyond the reaches of human sensibility. Not to mention absurd, disgusting, and outright wrong.
     
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    The Russian Federation inherited the wealth, history, most of the territory, and must of the treasure of the USSR. So you own the evil that the USSR represented.
     
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    It's a mass murder, like it or not. And it was made on behalf of democratically elected president, for which citizens of USA voted. Not on behalf of somebody, who climbed to leadership through plots and terror. That is worse - it involves responsibility of people who voted for man who gave order to destroy Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
     
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    A share of it. You are not expecting Ukraine or Belarus to be responsible for actions, comitted by government of Union that they, with RSFSR, have formed. You put all the blame on our citizens, and on russian ehtnic exclusively. You, from what I see so far, demanding a bloody sacrifice - and I will not allow my people to be butchered for sake of some sort of thirst for revenge.
     
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    Russians did use the nuke in Chernobyl? This is the first time I hear such a crazy statement. First, it was an accident, and not direct bombing of people like it was in Japan. Second, all the Soviet people were involved in it, starting from the development of the reactor and ending with the running it, not only Russians. Third, all nationalities participated in the liquidation of that disaster. Fourth, the liquidation of the catastrophe's results was done much more effectively than it was done in Fukushima.
     
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    You forgot that Russian Federation also inherited all the debts that Ukraine and other republics had to pay proportionally, but finally only Russia paid it.
     
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    There are a lot of photos like this
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    I know, it was done by Ukrainian nazi. But I don't know when it was done, 60 years ago or just now? Maybe you know?
     
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    Maybe you in this case tell us about tortures sanctioned by US government in Guantanamo? US is the most bloody country. It still has death penalties. So your demonic, and not democratic country better mind its own business and not put the nose into the Russia internal affaires.
     
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    Not Russian, it was done by Ukrainians. They did an experiment. But they did it badly. That is a reason. Bad experiment that was did by bad Ukrainian engineers without consulting with Moscow. But nearly all of them had paid for that with their lives. As we say 1:1.
     
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    I assume I am the only one who treats tradegy as a tradegy. Pathetic.
     
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    My God! Do you think you know anything about Crimea or KGB? Kill the guy, who had told you that! :)
     
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    I belive Russian Federation is nearly Soviet Union. Little Soviet Union.
     

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