Iran mocks WWII Holocaust, prepares another

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  1. Grau

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    Since many of our confirmed Holocaustians of the "Exterminationist" School of thought tend to dismiss IHR as an "unreliaable" source, or worse, I've added additional sources that confirm the extensive use of torture to extract the confessions on which the entire cult of Holocaustianity bases the tenets of its extensive & fraudulent dogma




    “How Britain tortured Nazi PoWs: The horrifying interrogation methods that belie our proud boast that we fought a clean war”
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...thods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html
    EXCERPT “It was in 2005 during my work as an investigative reporter that I came across a veiled mention of a World War II detention centre known as the London Cage. It took a number of Freedom Of Information requests to the Foreign Office before government files were reluctantly handed over.
    From these, a sinister world unfolded — of a torture centre that the British military operated throughout the Forties, in complete secrecy, in the heart of one of the most exclusive neighbourhoods in the capital.

    Thousands of Germans passed through the unit that became known as the London Cage, where they were beaten, deprived of sleep and forced to assume stress positions for days at a time.
    Some were told they were to be murdered and their bodies quietly buried. Others were threatened with unnecessary surgery carried out by people with no medical qualifications. Guards boasted that they were ‘the English Gestapo’.

    So, how can we be sure about the methods used at the London Cage? Because the man who ran it admitted as much — and was hushed up for half-a-century by an establishment fearful of the shame his story would bring on a Britain that had been fighting for honesty, decency and the rule of law.
    That man was Colonel Alexander Scotland, an accepted master in techniques of interrogation. After the war, he wrote a candid account of his activities in his memoirs, in which he recalled how he would muse, on arriving at the Cage each morning: ‘Abandon all hope ye who enter here.’
    Because, he said, before going into detail: ‘If any German had any information we wanted, it was invariably extracted from him in the long run.’

    Of 3,573 prisoners who passed through Kensington Palace Gardens, more than 1,000 were persuaded to sign a confession or give a witness statement(*) for use in war crimes prosecutions.”CONTINUED




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    “Huge smoking gun: The fake "confession" of Rudolf Höss to the "mass murder of 2.5 million jews" at Auschwitz -- Obtained via torture by jewish interrogators, and now exposed/admitted as false”

    http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-...5/06/huge-smoking-gun-fake-confession-of.html

    EXCERPT “ Höss "confessed" that Himler had ordered him to utilize Auschwitz as a site to enact Hitler's "final solution" to mass murder all of Europe's jews.(*) Since there is no German documentation proving any policy to exterminate jews (nor any physical evidence, including autopsies or corpses), the alleged "confession" of Höss is key to "proving" such a policy actually existed.(*) (*)

    At the Nuremberg kangaroo trials, Höss "confessed" to killing "2.5 million" jews at Auschwitz

    The prosecutors at Nuremberg accused and convicted the Germans of murdering some "4 million" people at Auschwitz -- based largely upon the supposed "confessions" (obtained via torture) of German officers, such as the signed "confession" by Rudolf Höss to having supervised the murder of "2.5 million" jews.

    Then, around 1990 the Polish Government reduced the claim of the number killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to around 1 million.

    Therefore, Höss' "confession" was a lie.(*)


    Note: Joseph Maier was Jewish and an active member of the so-called “Frankfurt School". As noted under his signature, he was Chief of the "Analysis Section Interrogations Division, Office of U. S. Chief of Counsel”, which was overwhelmingly jewish.(*) The entire prosecution of German "war criminals", including at Nuremberg, was completely controlled by jews within the U.S. and British military and governments."CONTINUED(*)


    There are countless additional, credible sources confirming the fact that virtually all of Nuremberg's defendants' "confessions" were extracted via torture for the perusal of "Jonsa" & his devout Holocaustians.



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    You seem to be completely off track. I'm not talking about human skin lampshades and shrunken heads, although that is about the ONLY crap you seem to be able to focus on, to the exclusion of mountains of documents, eye witnesses, photos, films, confessions not to mention forensic evidence.

    You have not once been able to offer up ANY evidence that at least 1 million people were gassed, you completely ignore the documented work of the Ensatzgruppen sonderKommando,





    And then you merely babble on with "i'm not a jew hater" and attempt to represent the entire holocaust as a hoax and money grab. It appears the only thing you got working for ya is some anecdotal evidence. I guess because there are a few hundred fraudsters, the other tens of millions of stories from the war must all be fake too. yet another typical "fallacies r us" response from jew hating deniers.


    Worse yet, you readily accept nazi propaganda and in the above a rather churlish reliance on a NY times article about the number of jews supposedly in the world, although how NYT could know global demographics in 1938 is rather a miracle. Pathetic.

    Next you'll be carting out videos of brother theodore. I'll say one thing, tho, you are utterly and totally predictable.


    Any time you'd like to present some forensic evidence from a qualified forensic scientist that proves that there were no gas chambers, or that gaswagens don't work, I'd like to see it. But of course you don't have any accept from amateur hacks of no scientific accreditation.

    Relying on clowns like Leutcher and Krege and their outrageous examples of how not to do scientific investigation you'd have nothing. No evidence of any substance.

    Which suits you and yours just fine, being living examples of the backfire effect.
     
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    Repeat cycle.

    Seems you don't have much in the way of evidence. Its beyond your grasp that those photos and the facilities were nazi camoflague, so the Red Cross would be fooled. Well at least you and the red cross share a profound gullibility.

    But keep repeating the same ol debunked crap, as if the mountain of evidence that debunks these specious, moronic fantasies doesn't exist.

    Must be a tough life when one can't accept facts, indeed actively rejects facts. in the face of hateful faith. your dedication to the script is impressive.

    http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Exhib/HowtoEngl.html
     
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    "FROM 'INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE' TO 'MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE.........WHERE?







    Is that all you've got.........slander & insults that now include the Red Cross, the only non-profit, impartial, investigative body with access to the German Camps.

    Your "mountain of evidence" also supports the existence of a Hospital in the tomes of Holo-Literature. I believe even Eli "The King Weasel" Wiesel talks about being in a Internment Camp Hospital.

    1. Why have such a large hospital for both inmates and wounded military personnel if the goal was to exterminate all the inmates?

    2. If the "Nazis" were so committed to exterminating 6 million Jews, why allow Red Cross inspections at all. Why didn't they do like Eisenhower did and the Soviets........refuse to alow ANY Red Cross inspections?

    3. Why would the "Nazis" shuttle their victims all around Europe, build Internment Camps, with fake pools, greenhouses, Camp currency etc just to kill them?

    4. One of the reasons Rommel lost in N. Africa was from a shortage of fuel. Natural resources were pitifully scarce for the German military. Why expend countless gallons on fuel to shuttle Inmates around then exterminate them with scarce diesel fuel?

    5. Why start out with "authentic" human skin lampshades, human fat soap, shrunken heads unless the goal all along has been to deceive the world into believing ANOTHER "6 Million Jews exterminated" story:

    “SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

    6. There is now proof that virtually ALL "confessions were a result of torture. The following describes only the thousands of British tortured "confessions"

    “How Britain tortured Nazi PoWs: The horrifying interrogation methods that belie our proud boast that we fought a clean war”
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...thods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html


    Germany was fighting a 3 Front War, they didn't have the manpower or material to exterminate, bury, dig up, cremate / burn, and spread toothless ashes for millions of victims


    Did the "Nazis" also have a Time Machine to add Fake Smoke to doctored Photos at that multi billion dollar, grisly & macabre "The Holo-World Theme Park"?

    What about the post War Fake Chimney at the renovated "Auschwitz World" Theme Park; why build a fake chimney unless the overall goal is to deceive the planet in preparation for perhaps the biggest extortion racket ......ever?

    Arthur Butz is now on the list of Holocaust® Debunkers and a new target for a multi billion dollar extortion rack every bit as ruthless as the people they vilify:

    “Hoax of the Twentieth Century”
    https://archive.org/details/HoaxOfTheTwentiethCentury

    EXCERPT “For a solid review of the overblown and much-ballyhooed âholocaustâ from the perspective of someone who picked apart the entire orthodox story from every angle, this book covers all the bases with enough depth and clarity that it gives the complete story as to why the âholocaustâ is a blatant lie and could not have occurred from the technical and logistical perspective.”CONTINUED


    I don't expect to be able to deprogram someone so deeply & desperately in the clutches of a ruthless, profit driven & persecutory cult like Holocaustianity so I simply submit the following for all open minds:


    “...21 Facts...”
    http://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2013/11/16/holocaust-or-holohoax-21-amazing-facts/

    EXCERPTS Even though this blog in no way denies “The Holocaust”, or disputes any of the alleged details of any of the different versions, we did list 21 amazing facts about it here:
    1. International Committee of the Red Cross Records:
    In a letter to the US State Department dated November 22nd 1944 The Red Cross, who were stationed in all the camps, stated : “We have not been able to discover any trace of installations for exterminating civilian prisoners.”

    2.United States Airforce Aerial Photos Of Camps:
    All these photographs were released in 1979 when they were declassified. None of these photographs show any sign of mass murder or disposal of millions of bodies.

    3. Western Allies Never Liberated Any Death Camps With Gas Chambers:
    None of the Western Allies ( Britain, Canada, USA, Australia, France etc. ) liberated any camps that had gas chambers, or other systems of mass murder in them.

    4.The Leuchter Report:
    Fred Leuchter is the World’s foremost expert on gas chambers, and holds the patents for nearly all the gas chambers used for executions in the World. He has also personally built, or supervised the building, of all gas chambers in the USA and most in the rest of the World. After inspecting the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz, Leuchter concluded they were unsuitable for use as gas chambers

    5. The British Secret Service Monitored All Concentration Camp Deaths:
    The numbers of dead in the decoded messages tallied exactly with Red Cross and German Military records of the time.

    6. The French Resistance Denied The Holocaust:
    However they all denied any knowledge of gas chambers and a mass murder programme in the concentration camps.


    7. The Gas Chambers Of World War One:
    Baldwin admitted in Parliament that it had been propaganda and no such gas chambers had existed. He also apologised publicly to the German People for this racist slur on them.

    8. Amounts Of Zyklon-B Used At The Camps:
    In the concentration camps it was used for sanitation and pest control. There were disinfectant chambers, in all the camps, where inmates clothes were disinfected to combat typhus and other diseases.


    9. The Nuremberg Trials 1945 to 1949:
    he Chief Justice of the United States Harlan Fiske Stone called the Nuremberg trials a fraud.:
    “This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas.”
    Out of 139 German witnesses who testified that the Holocaust had occurred, the British Medical Officer recorded that 137 had “damage to their testicles that is beyond repair”. A number of Germans had died under interrogation by the Allies. There was also the threat of sending Peoples’ families to Soviet Gulags.

    10. The Concentration Camp Crematorium:
    There is also the problem of fuel as each body would need about 40 kilograms of coke to burn – there is no record of the massive amount of coke required being supplied.
    There were crematorium in each camp, but they simply didn’t have the capacity.


    11. The Liberation Of Belsen Concentration Camp Film:
    The whole World has probably seen the film of the liberation of Belsen.....
    Human skeletons are walking round with dead bodies covering the ground. This film was shown Worldwide at the time to show the evil of Nazi Germany.
    The victims are in fact all dying from typhus which is confirmed by German Military, Red Cross and British Military medical records – this is never pointed out whenever this film is shown.

    12. No Film Or Photographs Of Any Gas Chambers:
    All the films we are shown of gas chambers are Hollywood recreations made after the war.

    13. Sir Winston Churchill Never Mentioned The Alleged Holocaust:
    Prime Minister, never makes any reference to gas chambers or a planned mass extermination of European jews


    14. Star Witness To The Alleged Holocaust Elie Wiesel:
    There are many other major discrepancies to his claims, and a read of his book Night is recommended.
    For a more precise look at Elie Wiesel and why his allegations don’t stand up to any scrutiny please visit: http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/


    15. Fake Photographic And Film Holocaust Evidence And The Ever Changing Numbers:
    New systems of examining photographs and film have exposed large amounts of it as totally fake, other evidence has been exposed as coming from completely different sources e.g. The Russian Gulags.

    16. The Balfour Declaration, World War One And 6 Million Jews:
    From 1919 onwards the jews claimed 6 million jews in Europe were under threat from extermination unless they got a homeland in Palestine. This was 14 years before the Nazis came to power and 24 years before the alleged Holocaust started.

    7. Holocaust Denial And The Holocaust Deniers:
    Professor Ernst Zundel
    house firebombed, received death threats, his family broke up, was deported from several countries and eventually was imprisoned for five years
    Despite these threats, the official narrative is constantly exposed as being a lie
    No other historical event can attract this type of punishment for questioning the official narrative.


    18. The Main Stream Media And The Alleged Holocaust:
    The Main Stream Media never question the official narrative of the holocaust, and go on an all-out attack on anyone who does.


    19. There’s No Business Like Shoa Business:
    As early as 1941, , the World Jewish Congress had been demanding that the Germans pay for the resettlement of jews in Israel as reparations.


    20. The Census of Jews Worldwide Figures:
    (Listed @ http://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2013/11/16/holocaust-or-holohoax-21-amazing-facts/

    21. Inmate Facilities At Auschwitz:
    These are the facilities that are still standing and can be inspected by any visitor.
    For have been knocked down, included a soccer field, fencing area, handball court, camp canteen, cinema and maternity ward that delivered over 3,000 live births without losing a single mother or baby.”



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    What would be the motive, profit or otherwise, for someone to reject the myth of "6 Million Jews exterminated when they don't hate Jews, don't wish for Israel's destruction etc?

    On the other hand, the motive for claiming to be a "Holocaust survivor" is instant fame and fortune.

    At the same time, positions in The Holocaust® Industry pay extremely well. there is an enormous profit, fame & social success motive for ANYONE cranking out ANY Holocaust® book or movie.

    Why is the "Holocaust" myth so fragile that it demands the slander, persecution and / or incarceration of skeptics when the Truth welcomes the sunlight of honest examination.
     
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    Hey Jonsa, what about the recurring "six million Jews"? Here is a site you can't say is antisemite about it:

    http://ourjewishagenda.weebly.com/the-shoah.html

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    What about the recurring "six million jews'? Of course "playing the numbers game" in no way diminishes the actual horrific nature of the crimes perpetrated on the jews and others by those stinking scumbag murderous nazi arses.

    But feel free to suggest that it wasn't 6 million it was only 3 million so it wasn't so bad. Its yet another clownish fallacious attempt to some how question the validity of the holocaust itself. Pathetic crap from small minds.
     
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    Both accounts tell of horrific treatment, but uttering any other number than 6 millions can land you to jail.

    That's the main difference.

    Oh, and the emperor is naked.
     
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    I'm sure our devoted, little Holocaustian will be grateful for your contribution.

    However, my experience has been that anyone who is not Jewish & says something that conflicts with Holocaustian lore is an "anti Semite".....

    But....

    If a Jewish person says something that conflicts with Holocaustian lore, he is denounced as a "Self-Hating Jew"

    Since everyone on the planet is either Jewish or non Jewish, that means that ANYBODY who questions Holocaustian lore is either a lowly "anti Semite" or a contemptible "Self Hating Jew" & deserving of scorn by the worlds' most powerful, influential & wealthiest Cult

    It's kind of like playing cards with a madman who claims that ALL of their cards are "Wild" cards

    Or:

    .....the old "Heads-I-win,-Tails-you-loose" scam.


    It seems like frequently debunked Tall Tales & tortured confessions comprise the bulk of the: "Mountains of irrefutable documents & volumes of indisputable evidence". I think that's how insulting, fanatic & proselytising Holocaustians describe the foundations of their dogma.

    However the passage of time has brought to light the nature of those Tall Tales & confessions under torture that was used to murder the innocent & hang the guilty losers of WW 2. The guilty WW 2 War Criminals of WW 2 went on to the highest political offices, wealth & fame.

    ---- A few examples of "Tall Tales" that comprise the "Mountains of irrefutable documents & volumes of indisputable evidence" about which we hear so much but know so little other than:

    “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fa...ap-Lampshades-Fertilizer-Mengele-Miracles.php

    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years
    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood...."CONTINUED






    --- Just one example of thousands of tortured confessions used to murder the Vanquished


    “Huge smoking gun: The fake "confession" of Rudolf Höss to the "mass murder of 2.5 million jews" at Auschwitz -- Obtained via torture by jewish interrogators, and now exposed/admitted as false”

    http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-...5/06/huge-smoking-gun-fake-confession-of.html

    EXCERPT “ Höss "confessed" that Himler had ordered him to utilize Auschwitz as a site to enact Hitler's "final solution" to mass murder all of Europe's jews.(*) Since there is no German documentation proving any policy to exterminate jews (nor any physical evidence, including autopsies or corpses), the alleged "confession" of Höss is key to "proving" such a policy actually existed.(*) (*)

    At the Nuremberg kangaroo trials, Höss "confessed" to killing "2.5 million" jews at Auschwitz

    The prosecutors at Nuremberg accused and convicted the Germans of murdering some "4 million" people at Auschwitz -- based largely upon the supposed "confessions" (obtained via torture) of German officers, such as the signed "confession" by Rudolf Höss to having supervised the murder of "2.5 million" jews.

    Then, around 1990 the Polish Government reduced the claim of the number killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to around 1 million.

    Therefore, Höss' "confession" was a lie.(*)


    Note: Joseph Maier was Jewish and an active member of the so-called “Frankfurt School". As noted under his signature, he was Chief of the "Analysis Section Interrogations Division, Office of U. S. Chief of Counsel”, which was overwhelmingly jewish.(*) The entire prosecution of German "war criminals", including at Nuremberg, was completely controlled by jews within the U.S. and British military and governments."CONTINUED

    _ _ _ _ _

    It may be interesting to conduct a Poll that is anonymous made up of People who:

    1. Know about "The Holocaust®" & believe the entire story (6 Million Jews gassed, beaten. burned alive etc)

    2. Know about "The Holocaust®" but only believe the camps were Internment / Work Camps from which most of the deaths were typhus

    3. Know about "The Holocaust®" but don't believe any of it.

    I think that the Poll could be refined & made with more options allowing for levels of belief etc....

    What's your opinion on such a project?


    Thanks
     
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    Now that is a typical piece of revisionist sophistry.

    Congratulations!!! Your mastery of the technique is terrific, now if only your mastery of the content was as good.


     
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    That's no argument - it's just being belliquose for the heck of it. I couldn't care less, BTW.

    You would know, right?

    Well then, lies, hypocrisy and totalitarist coercion, for their part, are the hallmarks of the Holocaust death cult zealots.

    Can you still say that you believe in the 6 million number after having seen the historical recurrences of that number? Or will you chose to make as if that didn't happen?

    (My bet's on the later)
     
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    In Germany, denying the number is illegal.
     
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    "TRY AGAIN"



    Please explain how the following facts are:

    1. CONTENT: REPEATED N.Y. TIMES REPORTS OF “6 MILLION JEWS”
    “SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk



    2. “Huge smoking gun: The fake "confession" of Rudolf Höss to the "mass murder of 2.5 million jews" at Auschwitz -- Obtained via torture by jewish interrogators, and now exposed/admitted as false”

    http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-a...ession-of.html

    EXCERPT “ Höss "confessed" that Himler had ordered him to utilize Auschwitz as a site to enact Hitler's "final solution" to mass murder all of Europe's jews.(*) Since there is no German documentation proving any policy to exterminate jews (nor any physical evidence, including autopsies or corpses), the alleged "confession" of Höss is key to "proving" such a policy actually existed.(*) (*)

    At the Nuremberg kangaroo trials, Höss "confessed" to killing "2.5 million" jews at Auschwitz

    The prosecutors at Nuremberg accused and convicted the Germans of murdering some "4 million" people at Auschwitz -- based largely upon the supposed "confessions" (obtained via torture) of German officers, such as the signed "confession" by Rudolf Höss to having supervised the murder of "2.5 million" jews.

    Then, around 1990 the Polish Government reduced the claim of the number killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to around 1 million.

    Therefore, Höss' "confession" was a lie.(*)


    Note: Joseph Maier was Jewish and an active member of the so-called “Frankfurt School". As noted under his signature, he was Chief of the "Analysis Section Interrogations Division, Office of U. S. Chief of Counsel”, which was overwhelmingly jewish.(*) The entire prosecution of German "war criminals", including at Nuremberg, was completely controlled by jews within the U.S. and British military and governments."CONTINUED




    3. “How Britain tortured Nazi PoWs: The horrifying interrogation methods that belie our proud boast that we fought a clean war”
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...thods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html

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    It looks like "Cutting & Pasting" from B'nai Brith's "Nizkor" and "How to be a Revisionist Scholar" seems to be the extent of your "Irrefutable Evidence" and "Mountains of Documents"

    Ergo:



    “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. “-Socrates
     
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    That's an admission I found refreshing, especially when used to the negation outrage followed by insults that usually makes the main defense line of your side.

    Okay, let me put this in simpler terms; As long as what would be revised will be more evidence of the innocence of Jews and their intense suffering, "revisionism" is fine. All of the other kind should end with the "researcher" being put into jail.

    We already knew that.
     
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    I have no doubt that the truth is "refreshing" to those who routinely indulge in so little of it.




    Yep that's a pretty "simple" analysis of reality. Apparently your lack of actual understanding of the laws and their intent are deliberate since such an interpretation supports your narrative of denialism and the terrible suffering inflicted on denialists.
     
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    What exactly is the point of this? That 6 million is a number used in a variety of instance? No wait, it is part of the global jewish conspiracy to blame the Nazi's for their own destruction!

    You want to play the numbers game? Okay so it wasn't 6 million jews that died in the Holocaust, nor were 25 million russians killed or a couple million Roms and other ethnic "rif raf". so what's the figure? Is it ONLY 4 million jews? or could it be 8 million?



    2. “Huge smoking gun: The fake "confession" of Rudolf Höss to the "mass murder of 2.5 million jews" at Auschwitz -- Obtained via torture by jewish interrogators, and now exposed/admitted as false”

    http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-a...ession-of.html

    EXCERPT “ Höss "confessed" that Himler had ordered him to utilize Auschwitz as a site to enact Hitler's "final solution" to mass murder all of Europe's jews.(*) Since there is no German documentation proving any policy to exterminate jews (nor any physical evidence, including autopsies or corpses), the alleged "confession" of Höss is key to "proving" such a policy actually existed.(*) ([/QUOTE]*)

    At the Nuremberg kangaroo trials, Höss "confessed" to killing "2.5 million" jews at Auschwitz

    The prosecutors at Nuremberg accused and convicted the Germans of murdering some "4 million" people at Auschwitz -- based largely upon the supposed "confessions" (obtained via torture) of German officers, such as the signed "confession" by Rudolf Höss to having supervised the murder of "2.5 million" jews.

    Then, around 1990 the Polish Government reduced the claim of the number killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to around 1 million.

    Therefore, Höss' "confession" was a lie.(*)


    Note: Joseph Maier was Jewish and an active member of the so-called “Frankfurt School". As noted under his signature, he was Chief of the "Analysis Section Interrogations Division, Office of U. S. Chief of Counsel”, which was overwhelmingly jewish.(*) The entire prosecution of German "war criminals", including at Nuremberg, was completely controlled by jews within the U.S. and British military and governments."CONTINUED [/quote]


    Now that is hilarious. Why on earth would Hoess lie in open court? Was he afraid he was going to be executed if he didn't spout the false confession in PUBLIC?

    I suggest you actually read his testimony and consider that since revisionists cannot dispute its content they only thing they can do with such damning evidence of the holocaust is a lame attempt to de-legitimize it as being somehow co-erced.


    Yep, the Nuremburg trials were run by the jews!!!!~!~!!!!!! Boy they sure get around. Could you be any more transparent?








    and your point is?

    Your arsenal of nonsense would be virtually eliminated if it wasn't for logical fallacies and gross misinterpretations.


    I am not the least surprised at "what it looks like to you". the irrefutable evidence and the mountains of documents and the thousands of confessions and the thousands of eye witnesses, and the thousands of trials, and the piles of confirming forensic evidence are insufficient for you and yours.

    But I suppose that revisionists have such a limited scope to their perspective that they cannot see any of the hundreds of thousands of academic papers, investigations, analysis, piles of documents, photographs/film, etc. etc. etc. Naturally to a denialist if all that does exist, its only as a result of a jew plot.

    As for slander, its only slander when it isn't the truth, but then again, since your have such a limited understanding of truth in this matter, I can see why you would get all upset about it.

    And as for "how to be a revisionist scholar" It appears to be a fairly accurate description of the tactics you and your pals around here use on a regular basis.
    then again, one can find alternative versions of "how to be a revisionist scholar" on such notable academic sites as Stormfront, et. al.
     
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    OH really?

    What statue would that be? Can you back up that assertion with some facts please?
     
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    Apparently you haven't actually read the various statutes that cover holocaust denialism as a crime. But not having an accurate handle of things seems to be one of your hallmarks.

    As for the enormous fallacy of "Can you still say that you believe in the 6 million number after having seen the historical recurrences of that number" that is even more telling as to the intellectual "foundation" of denialism. Fun with numbers as evidence. I am sure its more than enough for those pre-disposed to deny horrific genocide, but for those who possess a tad more intellectual honesty, its at best a disconnected co-incidence and at worst merely a co-incidence.

    It does however, play very nicely into the denialists insistence of a global jewish conspiracy that included the holohoax as they regard it.

    [video]https://youtu.be/tyT5scEWJJU[/video]
     
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    Quote "Germany's parliament passed legislation in 1985, making it a crime to deny the extermination of the Jews. In 1994, the law was tightened. Now, anyone who publicly endorses, denies or plays down the genocide against the Jews faces a maximum penalty of five years in jail and no less than the imposition of a fine."
    http://www.dw.com/en/no-room-for-holocaust-denial-in-germany/a-1833619
     
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    It isn't the truth that I found refreshing; It was the admission of it.

    You hide your morality behind the legality. I don't care the text of the laws - they're made by master rethoricians to be unasaillable. In practice, if you criticize anything jewish you'll get the lawyers after your ass, while if you do the same for women/the black/the arabs nothing much happens. Seems like only jews can be the victims of hate crimes.

    Cheap, easy insult, not even founded. That's your best?

    :roflol:

    Thanks for totally evading both the question and the evidence with insignificant, condescending rethorics. That's all you are able to do now, flee while saying something clever. Why being rational when you can be a brainless flag-waver? When you decided to defend the apartheist state of Israel, did you knew that you would have had to fight equality and the right of expression to support apartheism and just about everything the Nazi did wrong in WWII?

    Are you even your own man nowadays? Or am I speaking with a paid mouthpiece here?

    And yes, the number of six millions was decided even before Hitler took power. It is a fact. And you are still taking a part in defending this lie. You know what that does to your credibility?
     
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    "ARE YOU ALSO CONFUSED BY ZIONO-LOGIC, HOLO-HYPE, INSULTS, EVASIONS & SARCASM?"



    There you have it, folks, the entire inventory of "tools" in the proselytizing Holocaustian's[1] "toolbox": hypocritical & selective outrage*, blatant falsehoods, insults, evasions & sarcasm.

    That's it.

    Is anyone else having trouble trying to keep track of the aberrant "Logic" that drives this forum's gaggle of proselytizing, Zionist, Holocaustians?

    One one hand, our selectively outraged, Zionist Holocaustians regard supporters of the Zionist State, "Israel", as "Suckers" [2]......

    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,”
    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”[2]

    ...... and on the other hand, our same scolding & sanctimonious Holocaustians expect everyone to blindly accept the fraudulent raison d'être for that genocidal Zionist State: "6 Millions Jews, gassed & burned to death".
    So, which is it?


    So, according to this forum's devout, Zionist Holcaustians, are we "Suckers", just "anti Semites" (or Self Hating Jews, for good measure) ..... or are the worst of all global lepers & the most scorn worthy of all: "suckers", "anti Semites" AND "holocaust® deniers"?

    However, if you don't believe the entire, soundly debunked dogma of "6 Millions Jews, gassed & burned to death".....your an "anti Semite" AND " holocaust® denier" (.....what could be worse?)

    BUT, according to the same Zionist Holocaustians who revile opponents of today's REAL Genocide:

    If you criticize the Israeli government for its current Genocidal agenda, you're simply a lowly "anti Semite" (or "Self Hating Jew")


    So, are you confused enough yet?

    Relax, because you are not alone if you oppose today's proven Zionist Genocide committed by the Israeli government & don't worship at the altar of unquestioning, orthodox Holocaustianity:


    - - - Opposition to Israeli Genocide:

    1. “EU POPULAR OPPOSITION TO ISRAEL STRONGER THAN EVER”
    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/26074-eu-popular-opposition-to-israel-stronger-than-ever


    2. “The world is sick of Israel and its insanities”
    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.601243


    3. “BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations”
    “The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular...”
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890



    - - - - Billions of Holocaustian heretics:

    1. “Did the Holocaust Exist? Scary Number of People Say 'No' or Not Even Aware”
    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at...ary-number-of-people-say-no-or-not-even-aware

    EXCERPT “Half of the people in the world have never heard of the Holocaust, ADL found.
    And in the other half – the ones who have at least heard of the Holocaust and the truth that Adolf Hitler ordered the deaths of 6 million Jews – a third of this group simply did not believe the Holocaust happened. To this group, the Holocaust is a lie, a myth, a hoax, a conspiracy by those with a political or ideological agenda.CONTINUED


    2. “SHOCK:District’s ‘critical thinking’ assignment led at
    least 50 students to conclude Holocaust never occurred”
    http://eagnews.org/shock-districts-...tudents-to-conclude-holocaust-never-occurred/

    _ _ _ _

    While I'm not surprised that Zionist dominated Western Major Media may find independent thinking "SHOCKing" and the fact that billions of people who don't believe the rigid & fatuous dogma surrounding "6 million Jews gassed & burned alive" is a "Scary Number", it is noteworthy that billions of people around the world are both skeptical about the myth of: "6 million Jews gassed & burned alive"

    AND

    The primary reason that Israel is among the least popular countries in the world is because of the REAL Genocide being perpetrated by Israel's Zionist Regime TODAY.


    If our gaggle of scolding, insulting & sanctimonious Holocaustians were genuinely horrified at the thought of "Millions being gassed 7 burned alive", they would be among their greatest concern to fight any recurrence of the widespread suffering endured by Jews & non Jews, alike.

    The "Achilles heel" of Holocaustianity is its hypocrisy.

    If Holocaustians REALLY cared about human suffering, they would be neither among or supportive of the Nation of Genocidal Ethnic Cleansers [3], [4]




    * "Selective Outrage / hypocrisy: On one hand, Zionist Holocaustians demand that we support the genuine & proven Zionist Genocide of native Palestinians occurring in Israel, TODAY...

    BUT:

    On the other hand, this forum's Zionist Holocaustians expect our unquestioning worship at the Alter of Holocustianity: ie "6 Millions Jews, gassed & burned to death" & that we spare nothing in the global extortion by "The Holocaust Industry" in reparations to help fund the REAL Genocide being committed by Israel's Zionist Regime.



    [1] A rabid & avid member of one of the newer International Cults & State Religion in many Western countries called: "The Holocaust®"


    [2] “What Do Israelis Think About Americans? Start With Disdain.”
    http://forward.com/articles/216074/...out-americans-start-with/?p=all#ixzz3U6lIMhyL

    EXCERPT “Jerusalem — Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.
    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,”
    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

    An American might respond with the saying “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me,” and observe that this outlook, with deep roots in the American psyche, rebuts the Israeli stereotype of Americans as ever-trusting.
    But for many Israelis, the question is, why trust anyone even once?

    In a secretly recorded video of a 2001 discussion with a group of terror victims in the Ofra settlement in the Israeli occupied West Bank, now-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid out this widely held perception.
    “I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction.”
    The fact that Israelis see their benefactor as overly credulous also breeds resentment in some corners of Israeli society."CONTINUED



    --------

    No one doubts that millions suffered miserably well before, during, & especially after WW 2 and that countless individuals died in German's "Work / Internment Camps from typhus, hunger etc especially toward the end of the war & after when Allies bombed civilian supply lines & countless Germans were persecuted in Polish, true "Death Camps" (see: "An Eye for an Eye" by John Sack) & by the Soviets well after WW 2 was "over".
    No rational person doubts that there was cruelty & killing in Germany's Camps but rational individuals only doubt that that misery was confined, exclusively, to German Camps while The Soviets refused ANY Red Cross Inspections as did Eisenhower ,for example, in his post-War Death Camp in which well over 1 million German POWs died.



    [3] “Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html
    EXCERPTS “ Almost half of Jewish Israelis believe Arabs should be "expelled or transferred" from Israel, a survey has found.


    [4] “Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians, Or, Democratic Israel at Work”
    http://www.haaretz.com/ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinians-or-democratic-israel-at-work-1.361196

    EXCERPTS “While we are still desperately concealing, denying and repressing our major ethnic cleansing of 1948 - over 600,000 refugees, some who fled for fear of the Israel Defense Forces and its predecessors, some who were expelled by force - it turns out that 1948 never ended, that its spirit is still with us.
     
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    from your own source.
    Apparently, merely claiming 6 million didn't die isn't a crime. Denying that the Nazi's exterminated millions of jews is of course a crime. I realize nuance can be elusive to some, but it isn't a crime to question the exact number of deaths (jews etc.) but when it is used in CONJUNCTION with other denialist claims it becomes a crime.



     

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