Iraq Still A Big Mess

Democracy sometimes takes a painful gestation period to set in. That said, it is wonderful once it occurs.

 

Those children were not dying before the sanctions. So tell me, who were suffering from the sanctions? The invasion was predominantly about oil and the fact that Saddam Hussein wanted to increase the barrell price.

 

No you have it a little backwards. Kuwait was a sovereign nation that was invaded by Saddam. Saddam was beat back out of Kuwait predominately lead by the USA and was bound to an agreement to not be completely taken over for his actions. You cannot just ignore this fact while assessing the US motives for "re-invasion" If the actions of the US was to control the price of oil then taking over Kuwait instead of liberating it would have been the way to go. Then in the Iraq war after austing Saddam, taking over the oil fields as US possessions would have been the way to go, instead of struggling to help them create a government with free elections.

Your saying it was about keeping Saddam from raising his price of oil is frankly kind of silly.

 

Sanctions could have been lifted at any time by Saddam simply by adhering to the ceasefire conditions so to assign blame on the coalition for Saddams crimes is ludicrous. As for the invasion predominantly about oil please show how it was never about UN Ceasefire conditions as they provided the legal basis for the entire action.

 

The primary reasons for invading Kuwait was that Kuwait were slant drilling into Iraqi territory and their obstruction to any increase in oil price (by over producing).

 

So I ask again, how were sanctions on medical supplies punishing Saddam Hussein? As for your second sentence, been there , done it.

 

Well then I guess we can invade Mexico.

 

Does not follow unless Mexico chooses to reduce its oil production. The US is a net importer of oil.

 

True.

Sanctions are not designed to punish an individual but rather place pressure on a nation or regime's infrastructure. Millions of starving pissed off people place pressure on a regime pretty easy as seen all across the Middle East in the last couple of years. As for my second sentence you have not proved that UNSC Ceasefire conditions were not the basis for invasion but rather have stated over and over using old pre invasion quotes that there is 'oil out thar.'

 

I thought I recalled that James Baker was in favor of giving sanctions more time to work back during Desert Storm.

Here's something from "Danger and Opportunity Explaining International Crisis Outcomes"

 

Yes it is. Log on to the conservative antiwar.com site.

 

How hard is it to understand that the Palestinians are at war with Israel because the Israelis are occupying Palestinian territory? They want nothing more than their property back. The fighting will then cease. Simple, isn't it?

 

<Britain> please.

 

There is enough oil in the oil sands up in Canada to fuel the world for hundreds of years. The shale gas reserves in the US and Canada are massive and can further relieve supply issues.

Having a small short term supply issues should Iraq come off-line is no big deal and we should be looking to stop funding radical Islamic states anyway.

 

"...the Palestinians are at war with Israel..."

Taxcutter says:
That much is obvious. What does that have to do with Iraqis killing each other? At their closet approach, Iraq is a hundred fifty miles away from Israel.

 

Pity it costs so much to extract making the huge majority of this oil unfeasable to extract.

Iraq wasn't radical or an Islamic state until Saddam was removed.

 

First of all, that type of oil is hard to extract. Next of all, I'm not sure that estimates that there is enough recoverable oil there to last the entire world for hundreds of years are accurate. The thing is that the oil in Iraq is relatively easy to extract. It would be a rather big deal in terms of oil prices if that supply did not exist or was not available.

 

Is it plausible that oil could be cloned?

 

There is a real civil war going on and we are involved in it. Its in Afghanistan. Its very interesting the Liberals are so interested in the day to day happenings in Iraq when we are no longer even involved there but are all but ignoring the waste of US soldiers in Afghanistan. Can you tell me what we are attempting to do there? We do not even have a real and verifiable goal there any more.

 

The oil from the oil sands "Western Canadian Select" is cheaper by about 20 Bucks a barrel than Brent crude comming from the middle east.

The reason it is cheaper is because there is a bit of a glut internally in North America. Canada is working on getting a pipeline out to the Pacific Ocean at which point they will be able to get the Brent price for WCS.

There are issues because the province (British Columbia) has such strict regulations that it has been tough sledding getting approvals. Further complicating the issue is that the Indian Bands, every one of them along the route, have to be negotiated with.

If we would just get our act together and not block new lines like the Keystone there would be far less impetus for them to search for other markets. Having these other markets would reduce the glut in North America and increase the price of WCS.

 

well if your only comment is that of a tired old mans spelling then I must be on the mark

 

Strange, they were at war with Israel prior to this occupation.

 

Anyway, back to the actual topic of Iraq...


2 killed, 15 injured in Iraq tanker bomb blast

At least 2 people have been killed and 15 others injured in a tanker bomb blast in northern Iraq.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/11/302924/killed-in-iraq-tanker-bomb-blast/

 

Why don't the Iraqis stop killing each other - just to spite Israel and the US?

It seems so logical.

 

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