Is America a Christian Nation? Should America Be a Christian Nation?

Initially God Created out of nothing. He did not choose to create a single cell and in millions or even trillions of years, by chance, create even any multi organ creature let alone mankind. He created every living thing by type. Water creatures, bovine, canine, feline etc. Natural selection gave us variety not spinning the roulette wheel and by chance having life as we know it. That doesn't even address how life came from non-life. Not even in your fantasy of Evolution. What great lengths some go to to deny the Living God!

 

that is not how evolution works, those that survive carry on the seed

you seem to think evolving only means deadlier....

 

Yeah, it isn't so much "survival of the fittest" as it is "survival of those fit enough to live long enough to reproduce."

 

And it also means those fit enough to survive in the current environment.

If that environment changes then those that had evolved to survive in the previous environment may not survive in a new environment.

 

Wow, you know what God did? Is this a personal conversation you had with him/her/it?

 

But even those "fit enough to survive in the current environment" only have to survive long enough to reproduce for their traits to carry on.

 

God isn't living like His creatures are living. He's the highest form of existence.
What lives can die, but God cannot die.

You Christians believe in God, which is very good.
But your theology is wrong.

 

exactly,

even if say with fish, those that are timid and weak survive as they hide and the brave and strong die off due to the surrounding predators - that will decide how the fish evolve

there was even a shell fish that evolved to have a design on the shell cause of fishermen superstitions, they always tossed that one back in as thought bad luck, many things can shape evolution

 

No, you seem to think, like most evolutionists, that when things mutate, they only improve. Improve from a single cell to a complex human being. My point is, they more often degenerate than improve. Then there is the question, life from non life?

He died on a Cross because He humbled Himself and became a man....but of course death could not hold Him. He rose again. He cares about his People because they are made in His image.

 

How could he become God again? A man doesn't have the power to become God.
Even if the crucifixion story were true (which I doubt), than God wasn't a human, He was just acting it out.

The early Christian church invented the Trinity:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Trinity-Christianity

It is claimed that Jesus said on the cross: “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” Why would he have said that when he and God are the same?

 

you did not read my posts then, cause I did not say that

 

Once again you do not understand how evolution works.

If a species, over the course of thousands of years, has 100 mutations...99 of them are probably detrimental meaning that the line carrying that mutation is less likely to pass on that mutation to future generations...but that 1 mutation that was beneficial means that line is MORE likely to pass on that mutation to future generations. That line thrives and survives.

Most mutations are detrimental, but guess what...that means we aren't likely to see their descendants...the only descendants we are likely to see are those with a beneficial mutation.

So when things mutate thy do not "only improve". The vast majority do not. But what we see, thousands or millions of years, after the initial mutation are the ones that have the beneficial mutation. Thus it "appears" that only mutations are the ones that improve the species...because we don't see the vast majority of failures.

 

No a man does not have the power to become God, but God has the power to become man. He can put limitations on Himself. God the Father is greater than any of us can imagine, but He showed us how to live in human form. The Scriptures have a clear definition of that. He also gave us His Word, preserved it, and defined His nature. You say you believe in God but you have your own definition of His nature. You put limits on Him because it caters to your uncertainties. I too was in that stage at one time then it was revealed to me how ridiculous was all the excuses' mankind comes up with to deny God and avoid the Truth.

The word "trinity" was invented by the early Church to describe what is found throughout the Scriptures. From Genesis on. There are three aspects to the nature of the Sun. It's light, it's form, and it's energy. It is one thing however. So it is with the aspects of God. Father, which is greater than any of us can imagine, the Son, His hands that do the work, and the Spirit, the force that convicts and creates.

 

Sorry if I implied that.

 

It’s actually more that any scriptures that didn’t agree with Trinity doctrine were destroyed. If you didn’t agree with Trinity after 325 you were out to the sword and your scriptures burned.

 

You seem to think that when we die we cease to be. Therefore you falsely reason that if Jesus was resurrected, then he did not truly die. We do not cease to be. We are separated from our bodies, but our spirits continue on and are retrieved to the spirit world/paradise/heaven, etc. At any rate, this is how Jesus was able to take his body back up again. He laid it down and took it back up because he has the understanding and power to do so. In so doing he not only offered the sinless death, but took it back up again, overcoming death. So the death which Adam and Eve caused to be, and the individual sins of mankind in contradiction to the eternal laws of perfect obedience to God, were all answered and met thru the great sacrifice of Jesus Christ who is the greatest of all the Fathers children, who volunteered and was chosen to be slain in the preexistence before the creation of mankind, as part of the Fathers plan for our salvation. At any rate, accepting Jesus Christs sacrifice for our sins is for him to answer the penalty of the law on our behalf. We can't do this for ourselves because obviously we have already sinned. So he made the requirement for us to repent, be baptized, have faith in him, and practice his gospel which is essentially to be good people. Like Isaiah said, All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

 

Good thing your opinion means squat under the law.

 

Oh that is hilarious! You are now saying that there were scriptures that denied the trinity? Prove it! The OT is full of sources for the trinity. Are you saying they trifled with the OT as well?

 

I think the New Testament barely supports the Trinity. The Old Testament certainly does not. On the other hand Christians are great at seeing what they want to see even when there is no evidence.

And yeah it’s no secret that the council of Nicaea established the Trinity and used the power of Rome to enforce it. Look it up, the history is right there. Christianity was co-opted by Rome and it became a whole new religion, a state religion that has stood in stark contrast to the central theme of the Bible which is that God is the sovereign authority in the universe and man’s organizations and governments cannot lead humanity to redemption.

As far as evidence goes, the only evidence that there were scriptures that disputed the Trinity doctrine is the fact that laws were made to destroy those scriptures and to eliminate people who supported that belief. Obviously I can’t quote what no longer exists but they wouldn’t have outlawed scriptures like that if they didn’t exist at the time.

 

What you stated is an act of "faith". Faith in the Godless system you propose. It is the same argument you use against God. Where is the proof?? Didn't you have the ability to present these scriptures disproving the Trinity? No power to preserve them?? They were there just because you know they were there and the atheist forums you listen to said they were.

Anti God anti faith people have been trying to erase any knowledge of the Christ for two thousand years. They haven't been able to. I will attribute that to divine protection. Funny you think something has been erased you can't even point out. The Dead Sea Scrolls are original and unaltered. They verify much of what we have today. Can't you atheists get your hands on them to verify these deleted scriptures?

 

I'm going to go with what several Founding Fathers had to say in the Treaty of Tripoli: "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

 

Right. We are founded on the creator God of mankind and nature. Not on any particular religion or religious sect. And yet it is an appeal to divinity in our rights to be free and equal rather than subjects to the dogmas of men, religious or otherwise.

 

Can that same divinity revoke those rights?

 

This means that Jesus cannot be God since God resurrected him.
Why do many Christians claim that God and Jesus are identical? That's completely unnecessary.