Isn't Equality Ultimately in Women's best Interests?

Not to mention no rape protection and no reproductive freedom . When I married (in the dark ages) even though I had an income as a teacher I still had to have my husband sign for me to get a credit card.

 

You keep repeating the same thing over and over about special treatment and yet you don't tell us what all the special treatments areI wonder why not? Or are you saying that the 14 th amendment gave women special rights? I hope that's not what you're saying Men had the vote in every state. Women didn't get the vote till1920! They were powerless

 

Good of you to admit your lack of knowledge, that takes a certain amount of courage.

You missed this part of history :""....women waited until the 20th century (the 20th century!!!!!!!!!!!) to vote and a law had to be passed to "allow" women to have a right they should've had all along.""""


Because WOMEN were the ones being cheated out of their rights IF they had been included from day one you'd have a point but they were NOT.

So what!? It took until the 20th century to give women rights they should have had since day one!!!!!!

YOU STILL have NEVER given an example of what you call "special rights".

VOTING IS NOT A SPECIAL RIGHT .

 

Heck I'm so old that when I was in my twenties with a fantastic paying job I couldn't get a bank loan because I was a single woman.....I didn't have a "daddy" to sign for poor little me...finally I found a banker smart enough to realize money has no gender and I got a loan...

 

Calling me a, 'misogynist,' for criticizing Feminism is like calling someone a racist for criticizing slavery.

It's ridiculous.

Feminism is not in most women's best interests-unless you think absolving women of accountability is equality.

Ultimately, equality is in women's best interests.

Women will achieve more if they are accountable the way men are.

Consider a thought experiment:

Disregard Gender (if that is possible-lol) and just consider that there are two candidates applying for a job, candidate A and candidate B

Candidate A is accountable for the consequences of their actions and choices. Candidate B is not.

Which candidate is likely to be hired and be an asset to the company???

Candidate A, who is accountable for the consequences of their actions and choices or candidate B who is not accountable for the consequences of their actions.

Clearly, the accountable candidate is the best choice.

Feminism is not about equality, anyway, as Renee alluded to earlier.

If feminism was about equality you would expect that feminists would complain about the sentencing gap at least as much as the wage gap. I mean, the sentencing gap is over 60% and the wage gap is 22% and 60 is greater than 22-right.

But do you hear feminists complaining about the sentencing gap the way they do the wage gap???

No, you don't because feminism is not an equality movement.

 

Dude, you're a misogynist for repeated statements like this: "Women are just not accountable the way men are."

 

Awesome. Obviously you'll be ignoring all of the input from a stupid white male from now on.
Have a good day, ma'm.

 

You could've given me input, like what are the "special rights" that someone somewhere is asking for women...?

Or admit there aren't any....

 

Your misogyny and sexism are as great as your misrepresentation of what feminism is.


You whine about the "sentencing gap" as if that's women's responsibility, as if they have nothing better to do,.....no, if men don't like it why don't THEY take some responsibility to fix it instead of relying on their "mommies" to do everything for them as they have for centuries...

 

Why? You've already made it clear I'm just a dumbass white male to you. You've shut me down so what's the use of conversing further? You and Renee are two peas on a pod. Be honest, neither of you two really want the opinion of a dumbass while male, do you?

 

Max and Foxhastings are just ignorant and ignorance is the bastion of sexism and racism.

A 63% reduced sentence after being many times less likely to even be prosecuted in the first place is a special right.

Unequal work for equal pay is a special right.

Getting 97% of the alimony compared to just 3% for men is a special right.

Being exempt from selective service is a special right.

Affirmative Action is a special right.....

 

Encouraging another to take their life meets the statute for cyberstalking.

RCW 9.61.260

Cyberstalking.

(1) A person is guilty of cyberstalking if he or she, with intent to harass, intimidate, torment, or embarrass any other person, and under circumstances not constituting telephone harassment, makes an electronic communication to such other person

Many current cyber stalking statutes allow defendants to be convicted on the basis of words and speech alone

Defendants who think that they will avoid prosecution because they never physically encounter their victims need to understand all of the issues and consequences associated with cyber stalking.

Cyber stalking is considered to be conduct or communications through electronic devices intended to distress or harass another person.

Cyber stalking is a third degree felony and can result in incarceration for up to ten years. In most states, if a defendant combines the threat with some actual harm to a victim, then the range of punishment and charges could be even higher. Aggravating circumstances significantly impact a defendant’s punishment range. (I'd say encouraging someone to commit suicide online is definitely an aggravating circumstance)

Regardless of how the charge is prosecuted, cyber stalking results in stiff penalties and can have other collateral consequences

 

Wow! You're a sensitive little guy, aren't you? My apologies, kid.

Hate to break this to you, but we're all ****ing walking dead. No one lives forever. It's how you live it that matters, not the length. You can live a long life but spend all of it unhappy. You can have a short life and experience joy every day. You can have something in between. At the moment, my life is something in between, but mostly full of joy. Hope you can drag yourself out of that pit of pity you love to wallow around in and see if can find happiness too.

 

Oh, don't play the victim....you were challenged and asked questions.....that's what happens in Political Forum.

Like what has "You and Renee are two peas in a pod" got to do with anything?

If you put out your opinion you have to expect replies. If your opinion doesn't agree with mine I'll challenge it....that's what we do here, this isn't the Agreement Forum.


BTW, only a "dumbass " doesn't want to learn....

 

Spineless males from liberal states aside, it's silly to legislate morals. Doing so is an excise in futility. While laws demand equal treatment for all, socially, we're still subject to our cultural mores.

Example; I work in a highly technical profession which has less than 8% women working in it. There are no rules against women working in it and recruiters actively work hard to find women qualified to fill out our numbers. So why so few? Several reasons. In no particular order:
1) Training. It takes years to be properly qualified requiring time, money and drive.
2) It's not that women can't do it, but that they don't want to do what it takes to succeed.
3) Which may be a combination of socialization (i.e. family life oriented) or a lack of mentors in such a specialized occupation.
4) Genetic factor; women, by their nature, are more nurturing compared to men. Put another way since we all start out as "female" (nipples on men), when the "Y" chromosome kicks in, it destroys sections of the brain's communication center and ramps up physical aggression. Hence why men, on average, are less effective communicators than women and more likely to be physically aggressive. In short, women go into more "nurturing" professions such as teaching, social work or fields requiring good people skills. https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2012/ted_20120501.htm

 

As an equalitarian, I really do not heed the advice of racists and sexists.

Moreover, the worse opinion someone like you has of me the better.

Your good opinion, would be like getting a medal from Hitler for killing toddlers.

I'd be concerned if you had a good opinion of me.

So, thank you, for your bad opinion.

 

You: "" ignorance is the bastion of sexism and racism.""

Yes, you've proven that


None of the crap you listed are special rights....

 

See, you and I CAN agree on some things ....

 

the worse opinion someone like you has of me the better.

Your good opinion, would be like getting a medal from Hitler for killing toddlers.

I'd be concerned if you had a good opinion of me.

So, thank you, for your bad opinion.

 

Dude, you are a sexist. Your posts constantly display it regardless if you have the spine to admit it or not. Furthermore, the basis of your sexism seems to be jealousy. My initial post to you was half joke/half truth; you strike me as some low-level pogue who was passed over for promotion by a woman and now you are whining about it like a three year old. Try manning up, dude. Jesus, you claim to be over 40 and you act like a teenager.

FWIW, my ex was a "victimization feminist". Like you, she tended to blame others for her life's failures. In her case, of course, she blamed men. I did my best to help her, but to no avail. Like you, she just continued to sulk and point blame, never accepting that life isn't fair and that a self-actualized adult learns to roll with the punches. The marriage suffered and, although I stood by her, she finally left after 12 years of marriage. I hope she's found happiness, but know that she won't if she keeps blaming others for her life's failures.

 

What! What are "spineless males" ? Who mentioned legislating morals???

....and no women ever put in the time , have the money, and the drive ?....and ALL men do.

No, it's those social "mores" sticking their ugly ignorant sexist heads in again. Are women raised to expect these jobs or are they swathed in pink from birth and told their life should revolve around being a princess and getting married and breeding for grandparents....

...and MANY overcome social "mores" and do it anyway !!!

Yes, that's true. It was early in the 21 st century that a teacher told a young girl that she couldn't be an astronaut because there were no female astronauts...

Sally Ride got a kick out of that but it's sad the way young girls are discouraged from something that a boy never would be...

...and get longer sentences for crimes ....

That does NOT mean they all do or should.....and if a parent or teacher tells a young girl ""it's "in her genes" to nurture so here are the only three professions you can enter""" , they are evil sexists......and are contributing to wasted brain power and unhappy lives...

 

To me:

To FoxHastings:

Well, if your job requires innovative thinking, I can see why you were passed over by a woman.

 

lol...you strike me as a banal idiot and racist sexist hate pig-lol.

Telling me to, "man up," lol. I surf in perhaps the most hardcore surf scene in some of the worlds most dangerous surf.

I went to a 3rd world country, all alone, during the middle of a civil war, to surf word class offshore reefs 20 miles in the middle of the ocean, over razor sharp coral reefs, days away from any medical care.

I earned one of two high distinctions in Applied Molecular Biology.

My last book was at one time the 15th ranked book on Amazon.

I can bench press the equivalent of 400 pounds.

Innovative thinking, lol, I'm a professional artist.

I own my own business and work for myself, therefore; I've never been passed over for a promotion by ANYBODY.

So try again.

 

Anyways...I can see none of the sexists bigots in here have any evidence to support their beliefs and therefore have only Ad Hominem, and Ad Hominem is the last bastion of a position that cannot withstand scrutiny.

 

"""""Max and Foxhastings are just ignorant"""

Attacks and insults are against the rules, too....


From your post : ""and therefore have only Ad Hominem, and Ad Hominem is the last bastion of a position that cannot withstand scrutiny.""