Israel as Superpower

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  1. Zorro

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    Israel as Superpower

    https://hotair.com/headlines/2024/04/26/israel-as-superpower-n3787305

    Israel built Ronald Reagan's Star Wars Defense and it works.

    As American plans for the 2nd US Century, it's clear those with foresight and thought 'that Israel is our most important ally. The fecundity of Israeli technology will be more important to building a second American century than anything the Germans, the French, the Brits, or even the Taiwanese can offer.'

    Anyone who has watched the Iron Dome, now wholly proven, must admit that it's the class of the world in Effective Air Defense. It was Ronald Reagan's vision, and Israel has made it operational.

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    'We now know, since the thwarted Iranian attack and the incredible Israeli response, is that today Israel is our most militarily potent ally. There is no ally that could do more for us in an actual war.'

    'No nation has ever so totally rebuffed a massive combined missile attack—cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, and those quite good Iranian drones—as the Israelis did on April 13. Though the U.S. and some of the Arab states assisted, Israel pulled off a feat America could not duplicate today if such an attack were scaled up to U.S. size.'

    Click through the links on the attached article to the 'really interesting essay on capability. But perhaps even more important is will. Israel still needs to prove that it can impose its will on the proxy armies that want to destroy them. If Israel has the will to do that in Rafah, then Lebanon and Syria will be forced to recalculate their own situations.'

    Warfare changes over time, and generally the change is that what was once a massive offensive or defensive weapon, is suddenly overcome by an adversary.

    With the utilization of the stirrup, the mounted hordes of the Khans overcame the ground formations they were facing.

    The crossbow drilled through armor.

    Cannons took down walled cities.

    Sir Francis Drake's small light fast maneuvering pirate ships sunk the massive armada of Spanish Galleons.

    Artillery took down mounted calvary.

    Aircraft Carriers ended the reign of battleships.

    Black Hawks and A-10's took out tank columns.

    Now universal satellite coverage and long range precision missiles may have ended the era of the Massive Aircraft Carrier groups, it's just that we haven't yet had the great battle that sees them sunk and destroyed.

    'missiles beat airplanes and lasers increasingly beat both'

    'What Israel proved last week is that airborne attack—against a major power—is already implausible, against any major power with the will and resources to commit to air defense.'

    'Oh, and the other thing Israel proved is that it is a major power.'

    'To see just how completely irrelevant Israel has demonstrated the air forces of the world to be, imagine for a moment that the Iranians had sent a manned bomber fleet against the Israeli defense. The carnage, the loss of life and treasure would have been crippling. The mullahs might well have fallen.'

    Israel has demonstrated that it can take a vision and turn it into working reality, much better and much faster than the DOD can. We need to make more use of that.
     
  2. Esau

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    iGuess if slaughtering 30,000 women and children in less than 6 months makes one a super power then ye, why not..
     
  3. LangleyMan

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    Can you back this up with evidence Israel has more to offer than Germany, France, the UK and Taiwan?
    :weed: :weed:
    You have quite the imagination.
     
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    Your strawman is a particularly nice one, as you’ve even made sure the straw itself is BS.
     
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    Having developed a war technology has not been used by Israel to bring about the ends that America stands for or needs in the region.

    Instead, Israel has made itself a rogue nation.

    Suggesting they are our partner is absurd. We can't even suggest they end their genocide without enraging them.
     
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    He already did. His entire post was citing the Iranian attack on Israel as evidence. This would be the point at which you should explain why that isn’t a good enough argument and provide your own evidence.
     
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    Bummer for you the “rogue nation” will do whatever it wants, the USA will continue to support them, and there’s nothing you can do about it other than grab a Soros-funded tent and camp out on a university near you while copy pasting whatever Hamas wants you to say.


    Yup. Bad times to be you
     
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    my strawman beats your strawman because mine is the original.
     
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    that's kinda what constitutes a rogue nation. Shoot yourself in the foot again
     
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    No one constructs them as fast as you. It’s not even fair
     
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    agreeing with his premise is not shooting myself in the foot. It’s the entire point bro
     
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    That's what ended the Vietnam war.

    That process had a significant cooling effect on the wars in Afg and Iraq.

    What we're building in the ME is deep seated hatred and total disrespect for the USA, as we demonstrate that we are total hypocrites who stand for NOTHING and can NOT be trusted.
     
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    So why try to beat the father?
     
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    It is when you actually believe the entire opposite.

    Or do you honestly think Israel has gone rogue?
     
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    Israel is 22,415 square kilometer, about 420 km long by 115 wide. It is economic to build a missile defense for such a small area, especially if you have a really rich uncle (or at least one willing to put it on his credit card).

    Ukraine is 233,062 square km, about 1300 km long by 400 km wide. It is much more expensive to build a missile defense for such a large area.

    The US is 9,833,520 square km.

    Also, there is another economic problem, since interceptor missiles are much more expensive than drones and air to ground missiles. So every successful intercept is an economic loss.
     
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    Nope, no terrorists in sight in the Vietnam war. Students today on the other hand have so much Hamas dick in their mouths they can barely chant “death to America” around it.

    You’re building something alright, like the 4th Reich.
     
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    Israel is surrounded by those bent on its destruction. They have no other choice but to stay ahead.
     
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    But I’m not trying to prove the opposite. Looks like you have no idea what I was trying to do. Bummer for you.
     
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    So you think Israel is a rogue nation.
     
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    Israel thinks they own the USA.

    But, remember that Netanyahu has said they couldn't sustain their genocide without the military aid and political protection of the USA.

    We need to START by solving our own humanitarian atrocity - that of shipping the bombs used to slaughter civilians and blocking the calls of the world for ceasefire.


    The solution starts by making our atrocities politically unsupportable.

    The thinking people of our universities know what they are doing and how important it is that they be successful.

    It would help of Republicans could find a reasonable presidential candidate such that Biden could not sustain his aid in genocide.


    Israel will survive. But, the world needs to be rid of their Zionism. And, the USA needs to rethink what America stands for - because it is NOT genocide.
     
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    So you’re still confused about what I was saying. Bummer for you
     
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    What a bummer for you, none of that is going to happen! So just relax, kick back, and enjoy the show of Hamas getting slaughtered and only 1% of Palestinians dying.
     
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    It's a simple yes or no
     
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    It’s a simple understanding of my point. Your yes or no is irrelevant
     
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    so that's a
    Yes then.
     

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