Israel Targets Convoy of Ambulances Leaving Hospital

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  1. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    I have already condemned the disregard, with which bombs have been dropped on civilians, both from a moral/humanitarian perspective, as well as a practical one, in that this attitude will only cripple Israel's efforts to finally become a welcome nation, in the region (on the path set by the Abraham Accords), severely damage the reputation of the U.S., and inspire greater, not less, terrorism. Unfortunately, the best solution is far from always the most achievable. There are many security considerations at play, here, beyond the welfare of the Palestinians. Again, I personally feel that we should have exercised greater leverage, but I am not privy to what has gone on, behind the scenes.

    President Biden has known Netanyahu for decades, and he has shown, with Ukraine, that he is adept, on the international stage. So I am willing to accept that Biden has been taking the course he's felt was most efficacious. I think we have helped to get some aid to the Palestinian civilians; hopefully, we will be able to increase that. But maybe more importantly to the big picture, we have maintained our position of influence for the determination of Gaza's future.

    It is easy to say that Biden should have pulled harder in Netanyahu's leash-- but there is no guarantee that this would have been effective; Bibi is working for his political survival, with currently an 18% approval rating. While he may not survive in power, we will remain prominent in the Israeli public's mind as a friend, and so our further efforts to get justice for all Palestinians, which is what Biden has spoken about happening, will maintain credibility. But we had no magic wand, to control Israel's actions. And the U.S. public is largely supportive of Israel, after Hamas's unjustifiable attack. You can only work with the circumstances you've got, to try for the best achievable, if far from perfect, outcome.
     
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    Yes, in your universe Israeli Army is lying and Hamas is telling the truth.
    In my universe I just found info about One Million Dollar Prize!
    Guess from who? From Israeli Muslim family.
    Why? They are looking for a murderess of their son.
    Who were the murderess? Hamas Freedom Fighter. They beat him and murdered him.
    Here is the info:
    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/isra...-hamas-terrorists-who-killed-osama-on-oct-7th
     
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    You can't prove anything anymore. It took decades to prove the Lusitanian was loaded with weapons. Germany deserves an apology.
     
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    I’ve never seen this much anti semitism being spewed by so many bigots.
     
  5. notme

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    Why? Are you saying an Arab can be found guilty of being part of Hamas without any need to prove it? Seriously? Is that what Israel stands for?
     
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    The Jewish state bombs all of Gaza just like they bomb ambulances without being able to prove it was used by Hamas. And subsequently they are just massacring with total disregard of civilian lives like a bunch of terrorists. The death toll the Jewish state got going against civilians is FAR and FAR higher already compared to all the civilian lives the Russians killed in all of 2022. The idea that "but we gave a warning" is just Zionistic propaganda.
     
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    How about you stop posting yourself if you can't prove jack and only got your Zionistic propaganda to spread without proving that what they claim is true.
     
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    Innocent until proven guilty should be part of your universe too. But you left that universe and enters some realm where Arabs can be assumed to be terrorist without any proof and subsequently get massacred, no questions asked, and this is all fascistic but "fair". I aint going to your place, buddy.


    As for the IDF being liars:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/13/israel-military-white-phosphorus-gaza-lebanon

    Israel denies using white phosphorus munitions in Gaza

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-eas...raels-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-gaza/3020340
    Amnesty International shares proof on Israel's use of white phosphorus in Gaza

    https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Israel...e_of_white_phosphorus_bombs_in_the_Gaza_Strip
    Israeli military confirms the use of white phosphorus bombs in the Gaza
     
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    Your argument contains the idea "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't fly when you're an Arab. And I reject that racism.
    You either prove they are guilty or else it's a horrible war crime you lot are defending.
     
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    Very funny. Did you ever use 'Innocent until proven guilty' regarding Israeli Army? It looks in your universe 'Innocent until proven guilty' applies only to Hamas, and I know why. Why? Because if you tried to blame Hamas it would look like this:
    'Hamas is gu.....habibi, don't shoot, don't sh....'.
    In your universe Hamas did not kill or kidnapped civilian women and children, kidnapped only fascist Israeli women and fascist Israeli children.

    Did you read the links you posted? Here what it says:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/13/israel-military-white-phosphorus-gaza-lebanon
    "White phosphorus munitions can legally be used on battlefields to make smokescreens, generate illumination, mark targets or burn bunkers and buildings. Israel could be using the material to mark targets.
    Because it has legal uses, white phosphorus is not banned as a chemical weapon under international conventions."
    or
    https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Israel...e_of_white_phosphorus_bombs_in_the_Gaza_Strip
    "Israeli military confirms the use of white phosphorus bombs in the Gaza Strip"
    [...]
    The Israeli military announced in a report on Thursday that it has used at least 20 white phosphorus bombs inside civilian areas during the IDF's offensive in the Gaza Strip to try and stop rockets being fired by Hamas, from going into southern Israel.


    I am not sure what kind of logic your universe is using, first you claim 'Innocent until proven guilty', then you post article when Israel army confirm using white white phosphorus bombs in order to stop Hamas rockets from being fired on Israel, so where is the lie?
     
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    I'm devastated that doesn't fly with Arabs....
     
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    Sounds like the Palestinians are mad because they are being beat at their own game.

    When you swing on someone first you have no right to complain when they swing back 10 times more and 10 times harder
     
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    Your reaction claims that innocent Arabs must prove they are innocent and that's just racist. That entire theme doesn't fly. It's on you lot to prove the guilt. And so far you can and the IDF have not.
     
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    Ambulances are no longer the best troop carriers for Hamas.

    Hamas admits using ambulances for terrorist transportation ...
    KATV
    https://katv.com › news › nation-world › hamas-admits-u...

    8 days ago — Hamas admits using ambulances for terrorist transportation in leaked phone call. by JACKSON WALKER | The National Desk. Wed, November 8th 2023 ...

    https://katv.com/news/nation-world/...ast-humanitarian-crisis-israel-defense-forces
     
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    To refuse millions of people getting food, water and medical aid, is proof of a war crime.



    har har.
    The point is that they lied.
     
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    So far you lot use it to claim Arabs must prove they are innocent for using an ambulance, or otherwise they are a legit target.
    And that's the world upside down.
     
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    Sounds like you made a comment of not wanting to distinguish between terrorists and civilians, just like you lot bomb aid workers without a care in the world.
    Them are war crimes you support.
     
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    Oh sure me and my lot are busy bombing aid workers all day.... Any other silly things you want to say?

    Evidently you support getting in a power paraglider and flying over concerts and shooting up the place
     
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    Point stands that you lot got failed to prove how those aid workers were somehow Hamas terrorists and so it's a war crime that you're just trying to white wash.
    There were no paraglider Hamas people. You've got indoctrinated with zionistic lies. lol
    And you got zero to claim that I would support that. That's just a disgusting personal attack.
     

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