Israel Targets Convoy of Ambulances Leaving Hospital

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    https://english.aawsat.com/arab-wor...s-convoy-ambulances-leaving-al-shifa-hospital


    The Jewish state goes on indiscriminately massacring civilians. It's genocidal by targeting aid workers deliberately who try to seek refuge elsewhere as well people in dire need of aid. And this is what the country stands for. This has nothing to do with "self defense". And people who support Israel support terrorism, fascism and genocide. They already put up a plan to ethnic cleanse everybody in Gaza.

    Do people even care to be on the right side of history?


     
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    The ambos were probably carrying weapons and ammo.

    Then again, this is Hamas saying this, so...
     
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    Prove it or lose it.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Lose what? Is that a threat?...lol
     
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    prove "ambos were probably carrying weapons and ammo", or you lose the argument.
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Israel told Gaza that the hospital must be vacated. How else can patients be transported to the south. Why would they be carrying weapons in an ambulance when there are the (fictitious) tunnels that they use according to the Israeli government

    The main north to south gaza road is littered with dismembered bodies including many children.

    Your defense is vile
     
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    We still have to wait for confirmation that this even happened.
     
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    Israel stated that they bombed the ambulance
     
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    They admitted it. We're still waiting for you to prove why this all was needed.
     
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    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Will you support the greedy Jews' attempt to expel all 2 million Gazans into the Sinai desert?

    https://mronline.org/2023/10/26/zionist-think-tank-publishes-blueprint-for-palestinian-genocide/

    "In a white paper released over a week after the Hamas-led surprise attack on Israeli military bases and kibbutzes,

    "The Institute for National Security and Zionist Strategy outlined 'a plan for resettlement and final rehabilitation in Egypt of the entire population of Gaza,' based on the 'unique and rare opportunity to evacuate the entire Gaza Strip' that Israel’s latest assault on the besieged costal enclave provided."
     
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    The Palestinians would just behave, it wouldn't happen.
     
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    They were targeting the enemy.
     
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    How the hell is blowing up marked ambulances targeting the enemy???

    "What specific rules apply to health and humanitarian needs? The foundational requirement of the rules is to respect and protect the wounded and sick, health providers, hospitals and other health facilities, and ambulances and other medical transports. Intentional attacks on them are war crimes."

    "A full investigation is required to learn facts that can reveal whether Israel distinguished between civilian and military objects and took the precautions required by law for each attack to minimize harm to civilians and civilian structures and to ensure that its attacks are proportionate. The sheer number of airstrikes in such a short period in a dense area and the high death toll, however, cast serious doubt whether Israel complied with its obligations."

    https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2023/the-rules-of-war-and-human-rights-in-the-israel-hamas-war
     
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    "the Greedy Jews"

    SMH
     
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    I was shocked Israel admitted to this, we will have to wait and see if they have proof they were used by Hamas

    if one is gonna bomb an ambulance(s) on purpose, they need to have proof it was justified, especially after asking a hospital to evacuate
     
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    If Palestinians would simply give Jews their land, the IDF will stop killing their children? Have you ever wondered why events like the Holocaust have happened to Jews across thousands of years and thousands of miles?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism

    "The history of antisemitism, defined as hostile actions or discrimination against Jews as a religious or ethnic group, goes back many centuries, with antisemitism being called 'the longest hatred'.[1] Jerome Chanes identifies six stages in the historical development of antisemitism:[2]

    1. "Pre-Christian anti-Judaism in Ancient Greece and Rome which was primarily ethnic in nature
    2. Christian antisemitism in antiquity and the Middle Ages which was religious in nature and has extended into modern times
    3. Muslim antisemitism which was—at least in its classical form—nuanced, in that Jews were a protected class
    4. Political, social and economic antisemitism during the Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment Europe which laid the groundwork for racial antisemitism
    5. Racial antisemitism that arose in the 19th century and culminated in Nazism
    6. Contemporary antisemitism which has been labeled by some as the new antisemitism"
     
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    Have you noticed any examples of "greedy Jews" on the West Bank lately?

    From August 2009:

    https://www.thedailystar.net/news-detail-99615

    "A Palestinian State is wishful thinking as long as Israeli's greed for land-grabbing and illegal settlements continues.

    "Only a serious lack of sense of moral imperative drives Israel to justify illegal occupation on security and Biblical claims.

    "Figures provided by 'Peace Now' show that 80 of the 100 outposts in the West Bank were built wholly or partly on private Palestinian land.

    "Sixteen outposts are located entirely on private land, and more than half of the other outposts are on private land.

    "Seven thousand of the 16,000 dunams occupied by the 100 outposts are privately owned.

    "Jewish settlers in the West Bank grew from about 211,000 to almost 290,000 while settlers in East Jerusalem have grown to more than 190,000."
     
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    It is not that I consider antisemitism any worse than being anti-(any other group based on race, ethnicity, religion etc), or that I don't find those who try to label people for being anti-Israel or even anti-(forcibly or colonially pursued and accomplished) Zionist, as repugnant, but:
    • antisemitism is simply stupid, as stupid as any other form of bigotry and indiscriminate animus relying on generalizations, stereotypes, and such;
    • the history of antisemitism you allude to merely informs why many otherwise decent people (imperialistic and colonialist interests and projects aside -- interest and projects whose most significant and influential promoters are not and historically have not been mainly Jewish) would conclude that the Jewish people deserve a homeland of their own (notwithstanding my vociferous objection to how the project was pursued from the get go, reflecting the kind of colonial mindset prevalent in the west);
    • many of those who in the premodern era suffered the most due to antisemitism were (more or less) direct decendants of many Palestinians, while there are many "Jews" in Israel whose connections to that history are tenuous at best and others who have absolutely no connection to it whatsoever;
    • many of those who come from backgrounds and belief systems that promoted antisemitism in the west, are today among Israel's staunchest supporters and are among (along with hardline ultra Zionists in Israel) the most prolific voices for Islamophobia and anti-Palestinian sentiment.
     
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    And if she could've stopped doing things to make Ike Turner mad, he would not have had to hit Tina.
     
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    If the Palestinians would acknowledge Israel's right to exist and stop murdering Israelis, the Israelis would stop killing Palestinians.

    But, the Palestinians want Israel to cease to exist. The chant "from the river to the sea" means Israel has to be annihilated.
     
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    According to Israeli army Hamas fighters tried to escape using ambulance.
    Who should we trust, Hamas or Israeli army?
     
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    Why would they use an ambulance to escape when they are supposed to have 300 miles of tunnels?
     
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    I have 3 possible answers:
    1. Hamas have no brain, the proof is the latest attack on Israel - they didn't guess that killing, raping and kidnapping Israeli women will result in heavy Israeli response, so instead of using tunnels they used ambulance,
    2. Some tunnels and some tunnels exits are destroyed by Israel, so the only choice left was an ambulance
    3. These Hamas fighters were deserters, they were afraid to stay in the tunnels and decided to run away using an ambulance, hoping their commanders will not stop them.
     
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    The Biden Administration is seeing worrying signs, from its conversations with Israeli officials, who not only seem accepting of mass civilian casualties, but have even referenced the WW2, Allied bombings of civilians in Germany & Japan, as a model for their own campaign. Of course, it was these civilian bombings which the world agreed to end, after that World War.


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    It became evident to U.S. officials that Israeli leaders believed mass civilian casualties were an acceptable price in the military campaign. In private conversations with American counterparts, Israeli officials referred to how the United States and other allied powers resorted to devastating bombings in Germany and Japan during World War II — including the dropping of the two atomic warheads in Hiroshima and Nagasaki — to try to defeat those countries.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/us/politics/biden-israel.html
     
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    Hamas is the Palestinian government, voted in by the Palestinians.
     

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