Israeli military shot and killed three hostages

I am obviously not the one to offer what Israel should do, but for Israel to defeat Hamas, it will have to actually engage Hamas, not random targets and unarmed civilians!

When Galant made this claim last month and countless other baseless claims since about Hamas and the Shejaiya battalion in north Gaza, he was following your thinking that you can win a war from the air by turning a city into rubble.


with those assumptions about airpower, last week when Israel was just beginning to send troops inside Gaza city:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/galla...nsidered-invincible-now-on-verge-of-collapse/
Gallant: Hamas battalions once ‘considered invincible’ now ‘on verge of collapse’

Then 5 days ago
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ten-s...rs-killed-in-gaza-fighting-and-deadly-ambush/
and today
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...e-fighting-with-hamas-in-gaza-citys-shejaiya/
IDF says Golani troops engaged in ‘intense fighting’ with Hamas in Gaza City’s Shejaiya

 

No, it’s not speculation. Israel is a democracy with a bill of rights. Sure they have screwed up and hit some hostages but that’s not daily life in Israel.
There are many Arab Israelis who live in Israel now with the rights and freedoms afforded them by the Israeli constitution.

Personally, if I lived in an Islamic state I would leave by any means necessary.

 

Israel is not a democracy, far from it. West bank is proof. Arab Israelis are just token gestures as long as they remain docile to IDF cleansing of Gaza and west bank. As soon as Arabs stand up in west bank then the Arab Israelis will become second class. This is the pattern.

 

Yeah, it’s definitely not a democracy for Gaza or the West Bank which are not part of Israel.

Gazans and people from West Bank are not Israeli citizens.

 

right, so you're working on the logistics to remove the 1/2 million WJE from the west bank, yeah?

 

Not me personally but after having watched a few documentaries about it I can safely say I disagree with their presence there and I think they should all be removed.

Personally if I were born in Israel I would leave by any means necessary.

 

Kudos.

Btw, those colonial settlers (mostly American) get to vote in the Israeli elections. which naturally calls into question the "democracy" claim.

 

The IDF is engaging Hamas. Hamas does not have uniforms, uses civilians as human shields, dresses up as women, and bases their attacks in civilian neighborhoods, schools, and medical facilities. They are religious fanatics and do not care about the civilians around them.

 

Guerilla warfare generally includes combatants that wear no uniform. That is the nature of defending ones self from colonial forces. Every able bodied male picks up arms to save themselves from terrorism

 

It’s pretty disappointing that people of two faiths that are supposed to value treating their neighbours kindly can’t figure out how to live in peace.

Or in this case every able bodied anybody. Everyone in Gaza has been whipped up into a fury over Israel so a woman with a baby can cone running at you with a knife and then when you stop her you have killed a civilian. You could be a child, a pregnant woman, anyone at anytime.

 

show me one map of the fighting 30 days ago or before when Galant made those claims showing any Israeli troops inside Gaza city itself.

Much of it just a bunch of drivel. Hamas has enough on its hands fighting the IDF to find any benefit from things that would cause resentment and resistance from their own people as they fight a heavily armed foe.

Israel knows and has always known where to find Hamas' major fighting units. They have been making all sorts of fantastic claims, including how many of their commanders and fighters in these specific battalions have been killed and how Israel controls north Gaza. Most of it propaganda, allowing Israel to look like it was making progress against Hamas while showing off pictures of Gaza turned into rubble. It was cowardly, callous and driven by domestic political considerations because it was only recently when they even moved troops into the areas in question.

 

Let me make it simple: much all of Gaza has tunnels. Individual Hamas fighters may be found anywhere in that densely populated place. But if you wanted to fight Hamas, you would go after their main battalions not where some lone security guard might have done a shift! Or bomb some building and justify doing so showing some random tunnels!

 

What Gallant said weeks ago is irrelevant.

Hamas terrorists are deeply embedded in the civilian neighborhoods of Gaza just as AQI was in Fallujah.

 

Welcome to guerilla warfare.

 

It is absolutely relevant. It was meant to justify Israeli actions and pretend they were targeting Hamas. Knowing Hamas has safer places to stay than over-ground, vulnerable buildings, in the middle of a civilian population being intentionally targeted -- intentionally targeted for a variety of reasons: from Israel seeking vengeance, to paint a picture of what they could do to Beirut (not Hezbollah) too (re-establish deterrence), to make future ground operations less complicated, to (for some) pave depopulation/ethnic cleansing of Gaza...

All partisan/guerilla type forces try to use their urban environment to their advantage, but unlike many others who wouldn't have safer places hide, Hamas has 500 km of tunnels to protect itself as well. With Israeli captives as further insurance. So other than normal usage of their homes, I'm sure organized Hamas units feel safer using other shields!

 

Israel is targeting Hamas. Civilian casualties in Gaza are the responsibility of Hamas/Iran.

 

A robot could post and repeat such things too. Those who care to see, know exactly what Israel is doing.

 

Hasbara bro, they stay on spin cycle until the shift ends. Meanwhile the IDF keeps killing everything that moves, including Jewish civilians.

 

It is quite easy to post the truth. It can be done quickly and concisely. Long winded explanations are efforts to make excuses for the terrorism of Hamas/Iran.

 

Hasbara can't handle the truth. That's beyond the level of comprehension for the reptilian mind, iMean, they can't even handle social constructs like living alongside other ppl, evidently. They just walk in and shoot at anybody, even a pale faced ginger guy ((the archetypal Jewish person (esau)) begging in Hebrew. Bernie Madoff anyone?

 

I had 4 tours in Iraq. We were being hit by insurgents the whole time, well after Fallujah. Our FOBs were still being hot with rockets in 2011. Insurgencies and extremists can never be defeated militarily. The name may change, but they will always be there until diplomatic solutions have been found.
AQI was just one face of extremism. Hamas is just one face of extremism. Whether it is called Hamas or something else, extremism will never leave the region until a diplomatic solution is found.

 

Iraq was a safe place after the successful surge. The fledgling democracy was starting to function and the country was very much secure. Unfortunately Obama made one of the greatest diplomatic blunders of all time by pulling all of our troops out. We could have maintained peace as was done in Europe and Japan after WWII as well as South Korea after the Korean conflict by leaving a force of ~ 25,000 soldiers. You can't negotiate to achieve a diplomatic stop to the violence with terrorists such as Hamas/Iran. They must be completely destroyed before a region is safe and terrorist attacks are eliminated.

 

You seem to not understand Israel must comply with the same laws and they are trashing international law left and right. Most notable, the part where Israel refuses to let civilians get access to food, clean water and medical aid.

And in this instance. Israeli Jews just murdered the hostages with a white flag in cold blood.

 

Tragic. It is all on Hamas.

 

Nope. This happens when Israeli Jews do not care. They opened fire on the hostages when they were holding a white flag. And when 1 got away, they told him it was safe, so he came out ... so the IDF were able to finish him off as well. And only than they found out they massacred 3 hostages that way. It's typical how Israeli Jewish soldiers behave. They droned a guy holding a camera the same week, just like a sniper took out a woman with her child in a Church.