Israeli missile hits Iran, U.S. officials confirm

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  1. USVet

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    Electric cars will never become the majority simply because of a lack of raw materials, price, and supply chains. Peter Zeihan covered this well. They will remain a niche product for wealthy markets which are vastly inferior to ICE vehicles which are actually worse for the environment compared to ICE vehicles.

    BTW we will always need oil and natural gas as they are the base product for thousands of products. Everything from plastics to fertilizer to the entire chemicals industry.
     
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    ...they'd have to hire someone to do it for them...on their own....meh...these frauds they don't have the capability to fight their way out of a wet paper bag...
     
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    Come on now .. all this Patriotic Bluster is touching but, Team USA is having trouble dealing with the Houthi's .. never mind taking on Iran. Your living in the past mate .. back when USA was Top of the Food chain by many miles. Those days are long past unfortunately -- and soon we will be kicked out of the Middle east never mind have the capability to fight a war there.
     
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    That sounds a bit simplistic. Here's some stuff I've dug up.

    Telling the Truth about Imperialism
    Noam Chomsky interviewed by David Barsamian
    https://chomsky.info/200311__/
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    NOAM CHOMSKY: THE ISSUE was that the conservative nationalist parliamentary government was attempting to take over its own oil resources. These had been under the control of a British company originally called Anglo-Persian, later called Anglo-Iranian, which had entered into contracts with the rulers of Iran that were just pure extortion and robbery. The Iranians got nothing and the British were laughing all the way to the bank. Mossadeq had a long history as a critic of this subordination of imperial policy. Popular outbursts compelled the Shah to appoint him as prime minister, and he moved to nationalize the industry, which makes perfect sense.

    The British went completely berserk. They refused to make any compromises. They wouldn’t even come near what the American oil companies had just agreed to in Saudi Arabia. They wanted to continue just robbing the Iranians blind. And that led to a tremendous popular uprising. Iran has a democratic tradition. It had a majlis, parliament, which had always been suppressed. But the Shah couldn’t suppress it; the army tried and couldn’t. Finally a joint British-American coup did succeed in organizing an overthrow of the regime, and restored the Shah to power. Then comes 25 years of terror, atrocities, violence, finally leading to the revolution in 1979 and the overthrow of the Shah.

    Incidentally, one outcome of the coup was that the United States took over from Britain about 40 percent of the share in Iranian oil. It had been 100 percent British. That wasn’t actually the goal of the effort, it’s just in the normal course of events. But it was part of the general displacement of British power by U.S. power in that region, and in fact, throughout the world. Just sort of a normal reflection of the distribution of power elsewhere. The New York Times had a nice editorial about it, in which they praised the coup, and said, “Underdeveloped countries with rich resources now have an object lesson in the heavy cost that must be paid by one of their number which goes berserk with fanatical nationalism.” And it should teach other Mossadeqs elsewhere in the world that they should be careful before trying to do something like going “berserk” and gaining control of their own resources, which of course are ours, not theirs.
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    The Nationalization of Iranian Oil
    https://sites.evergreen.edu/ccc/energy-foreign/the-nationalization-of-iranian-oil/

    IN AN EXTRACT FROM ‘A BRIEF HISTORY OF WESTERN INTERVENTION IN IRAN’, MAYER WAKEFIELD OUTLINES THE EVENTS LEADING UP TO THE IRANIAN COUP OF 1953
    https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/beginnings-of-oil-imperialism-in-iran/

    More here...
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=choms...1E7B4ABF8B31180989991C35&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=
     
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    take the gloves off
     
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    We're not having any trouble dealing with the houthi. We're practically not even trying.

    Kicked out of the middle east? I'll be sure to tell my brother in law his next deployment is canceled.
     
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    The US haven’t directly conflicted on the ground with the Houthis yet….but in all honestly if we rounded up every convicted criminal in the UK and sent them to Yemen to battle them it would be maybe 70/30 in favour of the Houthis, that’s how sh1t they are. A bunch of Shi’ites or Sh1tes, or whatever pronunciation you wish to use.

    The Houthis are a piece of sweetcorn in the turd that is the Middle East at moment, why would the US even be arsed about them? The Houthis are a Saudi problem predominantly
     
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    and what .. nuke the ME ? --- You may get your wish with Bibi at the helm -- save us the trouble of fending off the Houthi's .
     
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    Were not booted out of the ME yet ..let us not get too carried away .. try not to let myopy get in the way -- and look at big picture one day .. We tried pretty hard for much of the last decade - hand in hand with our Proxy JV - Team , Al Qaeda -- our Boots on the Ground .. and Brother El Saud -- and the Houthi take a liken and keep on Kicken.

    USA not welcome in Syria , Iran, Iraq --- Turkey is buying military equipment from the Russian's -- Brother El Saud is looking towards China -- taking the Emirates with .. Jordan still loves us .. not sure we have much going on with Egypt ..

    Time to wake up to the new reality of an Empire on the rapid decline .. stop dreaming about Hollywood Top Gun Days gone by.
     
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    don't need nukes to squash Iran
     
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    You and who's army :) Har har har !
     
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    I guess that is the sort of response we see when you feel you have to respond but have nothing relevant to post
     
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    Kind of thing happens you know .. ask a silly question - get a silly answer :) When one has a Hollywood fantasy perspective .. far be it from me to change mind :)
     
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    Let me guess, you're a military expert
     
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    Does one need to be a military expert to understand that you have yet to put forward a valid argument ? how about to understand that our military superiority is not what it was in the 80's ? how about to understand that you certainly are no military expert yet .. yet talk as if that was the case ... that the Hollywood fantasy is some representation of Reality ..
     
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    After the attack on Israel, Iran dared Israel to retaliate, a double dog dare actually. Iran threatened all kinds of blood and carnage Israel did so. The Israelis responded and now the Iranians look like candy asses. It's believed by some that Iran expended the bulk of her surface-to-surface arsenal and doesn't have anything to respond with.
     
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    Iran wants to deny the attack took place so they don't have to come up with an excuse why they aren't retaliating.

    The Iranians are loosing face, big time. In less than a week, they've shown the world just what a paper tiger they really are.
     
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    So we won't hear any longer that Iran have been supplying Hamas and Hezbollah with missiles or represent a serious threat to Israel so must be destroyed? Good.
     
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    I guess then Israel can officially take credit for their action? LOL
    I have a lot of family in Isfahan and none of this spin remotely fits what anyone, including a subsection who frankly would welcome such a strike, experienced.
    Instead of pretending a failed sabotage operation was something else through anonymous sources, why do both the US and Israel deny a strike in Iraq that actually did take place. The spectacle of Israel trying to point suspicion on the US and vice versa is really embarrassing. Especially since you suggest Iran expended much of its arsenal in its initial strike and is making empty threats.
    Anyway, there is no way Iran can even compete in the propaganda department. So go on with the propaganda and spin. But just make sure Israel behave as Iran's warning is deadly serious.
     
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    No, you'll still hear that, because they still are.

    You terrorist supporters need to realize something. If the same attack happened to The United States, when you extrapolate the casualties based on population would be 40,000 dead Americans; do you think anything would stop us from turning Iran into a wasteland? Hell ****ing no it wouldn't.

    Now, apply that same perspective to Israel.
     
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    In one post you write they haven't got any missiles and in this post you write they have got missiles. Make up your mind! You're all over the place as usual
     
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    Iran doesn't need long range missiles to be a threat.
     
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    How so? I think missiles and ‘possible’ nukes are all Iran has to offer, in terms of a ground offensive, they’ve no hope against any of their enemies
     
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    Iran can't destroy Israel, but that doesn't mean she isn't still a threat.
     
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    Just for you to know: Iran has at least 800+ MRBMs with the range to hit Israel left and none of Iran's newest brands (other than Kheibar Shekan) were even used, with most of the MRBMs used by Iran (half malfunctioning) were Shahab 3 models which Iran doesn't produce any more and are being taken out of service. Specifically, around 55-75 Shahab 3 missiles first produced by Iran in 2003 were used in the operation; the rest of the missiles were mostly Emad MRBMs. A dozen (12-15) Kheibar Shekan missiles unveiled in 2022 were also used by my analysis. The latter (with warheads that separate) almost all evaded Israeli air defenses. But no Fattah, Khoramshahr 4, Sejil (solid fuel) etc MRBMs were used.
     
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