Israeli tanks shells civilians queuing for water multiple times

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    It's the colonizer of the state of Palestine, and even before the 1980's. Hamas is it's response to those war crimes.

    There is. The world voted it into existence and it's part of the UN.

    Israeli Jews keep on voting in a government that keeps the policy to colonize the state of Palestine. It's a war crime according to the Geneva Conventions. It's unprovoked. The UNSC got a binding resolution demanding the removal of all the Israeli civilians out the state of Palestine. Instead of complying, the Jews choose to commit war crimes, at every election for decades on end. Subsequently they do not have a right to defend themselves. While Palestinians only voted ones like 16 years ago and you are holding the resistance against war crimes against them. Weird.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And the flattening of Gaza and extermination of Hamas is Israel's response to Hamas.

    There is no state of palestine. They had their chance 5 times. Boo hoo.

    You can't invade something that doesn't exist and doesn't have borders.
     
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    Dirty Rotten Imbecile Well-Known Member

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    I think the problem Israel faces is that if they don’t break some laws, their civilians get murdered.

    For example the Golan Heights are illegally occupied but if Israel didn’t illegally occupy it then they would have rockets raining down on them.


    Also, the UN, the source of the international law, is not working. They tried to pass a ceasefire order against Israel but everything about it is created by the same nations that are opposed to Israel with no acknowledgment of what Israel is going through. No mention oi Hamas, no mention of the October attacks, no mention of the dangers that Israelis face.

    For there to be true peace there needs to be acknowledgment of the experiences and concerns of both sides of the conflict.

    Gazans need to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist. They need to stop attacking so that Israel can respect the Gaza’s right to freedom.

    Let’s not pretend that Gazans lack freedom because they weren’t sending suicide bombers and rocket attacks against Israel for the last eleventy four years.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That only happens when good will is shown to the people. Israel has never, and apparently never will show good will towards Palestinians. If 'hearts and minds' are not won, the extremism will continue.
     
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    Would be a war crime, since it's disproportionately hitting millions of civilians.
    You've been outvoted by the world on this.
     
  6. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel has shown that it will cooperate with and live at peace with its Arab neighbors. About 12% of Israel's citizens are Arabs. But I agree with you that "hearts and minds" need to be won. After they achieve victory over Hamas, that will be Israel's challenge.
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    The West Bank authority acknowledged Israel's right to exist. The Palestinians in the West Bank were not attacking Israel . Their reward? More and more West Bank land stolen by Israeli settlers with full support by the Israeli government
     
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    I’m not saying both sides aren’t doing things that are wrong. I am saying that both sides are making some big mistakes and both sides need to make changes if there is going to be peace.

    You don’t have to take sides in the fight.
     
  9. RWKindaguy

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    The land, according to the 5000 year old history, is called Samaria and Judea. It's never been known as Palestine or Palestinia. History outvoted you on this one.
     
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    I'm sorry but you really need better sources for your study of history.

    The map below is the Persian empire at the time of Darius. While Darius, in his inscription at Behistun, simply refers to whole region that includes the area in question as The countries of the Sea, and Herodotus refers to a group practicing circumcision in this area as Palestinian Syrians, if you zoom on the area, you will see it is called Palestine.
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    Darius also lists the territories under his rule:
    King Darius says: These are the countries which are subject unto me, and by the grace of Ahuramazda I became king of them: Persia [Pârsa], Elam [Ûvja], Babylonia [Bâbiruš], Assyria [Athurâ], Arabia [Arabâya], Egypt [Mudrâya], the countries by the Sea [Tyaiy Drayahyâ (Phoenicia)], Lydia [Sparda], the Greeks [Yauna (Ionia)], Media [Mâda], Armenia [Armina], Cappadocia [Katpatuka], Parthia [Parthava], Drangiana [Zraka], Aria [Haraiva], Chorasmia [Uvârazmîy], Bactria [Bâxtriš], Sogdia [Suguda], Gandhara [Gadâra], Scythia [Saka], Sattagydia [Thataguš], Arachosia [Harauvatiš] and Maka [Maka]; twenty-three lands in all.
     
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    The Palestina Prima or Palestine then was called Felestine after the Arab conquest because the Arabs don't have the letter P. (The same way the Arabicized terms for Parsi (Persian) became Farsi). And that was the name of region ever since until the establishment of the State of Israel.
     
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    The area was called Palestine, not the people. They were never described as Palestinians, not then and not now. And for our purposes, Palestine did not exist. But there were a people known as the Jews living in a land known as Judea or Judah even prior to that time. What we would now call the "West Bank."
     
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    Ironically, the "Jews" were called Palestinian Syrians by Herodotus (dubbed "father of history" in the west).

    But, honestly, going back to what are technically pre-historic myths and legends later put together when a Jewish identity was just emerging as a result of the teachings of Ezra during the Persian period, to lay claim to lands with inhabitants who could draw their family trees going back centuries, seems absurd. It doesn't matter if you call them Muslims, Arabs or Palestinians, they aren't going anywhere. Not anymore.
     
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    Attacking the enemy where the enemy builds military facilities is not, and has never been, a war crime.

    The war crime is building military targets in civilian areas.

    Thanks for letting me know I was talking with a representative from the world though.
     
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    The ancient Egyptians called it rather something like Palestine.
     
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    Peleset apparently, according to wiki is what the region was called under AEgypt. Which looks like palestine imo and that's from 1200bce inscription, so before the Bible was documented.
     
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    Disproportionally hitting civilians is a war crime. Maybe you need to read up what you can and can not do. Shelling civilians who for getting water, is exactly this.
     
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    No it's not.

    Turning civilian infrastructure into a military base is though.

    The entire Gaza strip is a terrorist nation.

    There is no evidence that any such thing happened, other than some unconfirmed Hamas crisis actor making such claims.

    If there was evidence this happened, it would be on the front page of every publication in existence.

    Leftists are just easily led by their feelings instead of logic.
     

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