"It's a child from the moment of conception"?

WHEN in the process of conception?

Is it a "child" when the sperm cell first penetrates the egg coat of the ovum?

Is it a "child" when the acrosome reaction penetrates perivitelline space?

Is it a "child" when the cortical granule content enters the cytoplasm?

Is it a "child" when the ovum undergoes second meiotic division producing the haploid ovum?and releasing a polar body.

Is it a "child" when the sperm nucleus fuses with the ovum?

Is it a "child" when the mitotic spindle forms?

Or is it a "child" when the first mitosis of the union of sperm and ovum occurs?

 

I have no idea.

 

Jeeze Gorn, you don't need to go and make their heads explode with Science. lmao

 

Why don't you call up Michael "Savage" Weiner, Sam? He's an expert on such things, like how "99% of autism" is just a kid needing to be yelled at by his father.

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We used to have a few "biological experts" among our "pro-life" friends. I'm interested in their opinion of WHEN in the process of fertilization does it become a "child".

"Oddly", I don't think the rhetoric of "it's a child from the moment of conception" that is issued by some.....will hold up when they actually try to define when that is.

 

How about cancer?

Think about it: it's human life that's genetically different than its "parent". If every human cell, including those that rely on a human host to survive are "babies" under the GOP/Catholic doctrine, cancer meets that definition!

So, to be in keeping with what they want, we all should call cancer "unborn babies" and make it our business to insert ourselves into the lives of all cancer patients to make sure that they don't "abort" their "unborn babies". I suggest laws requiring pre-birth certificates for all "unborn babies", promote giving all "unborn babies" names to remind us of their personhood, and an immediate end to all cancer clinics.

I mean, if that's their definition, then they should support it unconditionally, right?

Another thing that needs more personhood attention is viral infections. Once again the mixing of DNA creates "unborn babies". Let's stand up for their rights too!

 

For the commonsensically inclined there is no need, trust me.

 

Ah yes the usual "pearls of wisdom" without any requirement to substantiate your opinion, and you think people should trust you

 

Seems the Anti-Choicers can spout off about "child" everywhere but here....

 

Looks like you are speaking for all the Anti-Choicers..... No others seem able to answer....

 

It's a lifeform in it's own right the moment the egg is fertilized. It's dna path is decided. But for time, it already is a person with it's own temperament, height, body shape etc.

 

I can assure you it's no such thing.

It's a clump of cells that may or may not become attached to the side of the uterus.

About 1 in 6 of those clumps of cells that become attached are evacuated from the uterus any time up to 12 weeks afterwards, for various reasons.

 

We know you can snark yguy.....can you answer the question? At what point in fertilization does it become a "child"?

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At WHAT POINT in fertilization, specifically?

 

well before the baby becomes aware of pedantry. well before that point.

 

and IF (that is a big IF) this is correct it also has no right to use another persons body for its own gains without their consent. Being declared a person not only has advantages it also has restrictions, something most pro-lifers try to ignore.

 

and IF men got pregnant you would say, Then he shouldn't have let it happen. it's his own fault.

Really, the issue here is whether or not pregnancy is a shameful and degrading condition or if its an awesome power and advantage.

Feminists look at the world through a man's view. To men, them being pregnant is degrading so feminists decide that it's degrading for women too. which is just simply not the case. Being able to procreate with no dependance on another human being is power indeed and a movie villain should be laughing maniacally when he achieves it.

Pure power baby. I wish I was so blessed.

 

The last 4 sentences make even less sense...

 

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You had a quoting error so I haven't quoted you. My apologies to all who are enjoying the show.

Feminism IS screwed up.

And yes feminists ARE masculine men that insist on judging the world by male standards. Thus ruining women's prestige as a valuable organism and being in her own right.

It would most certainly be socially degrading for a man to get pregnate and ANY man who freakishly did would most certainly be under a lot of pressure to feel inadequet as a man, just as feminists have convinced women that pregnancy is a sign of inadequacy instead of empowerment.
It's not about being bitter or immature, it's about practicality and social survival in a mammalian species.

 

In that respect you are 100% wrong, but there again pro-lifers placing their ill conceived perceptions onto me is nothing new, as far as I am concerned if men could get pregnant EXACTLY the same applies to them as it does to a woman, you know that thing called "Equal justice under law", well I actually agree with it, which is more than can be said for pro-lifers.

Not the issue at all, it may have been a few hundred years ago .. thankfully we have moved on from that puritan ideology.

only one response to this bilge

 

Equality and justice have nothing to do with pro-abortion or the evil world view that coined the term "pro-choice"

No we haven't.

 

if you believe our dna is who we are and we do not have a spiritual component...

 

Not bitter or immature? Just ignorant of what feminism is and floundering in your confusion.... calm down, men don't get pregnant.

 

Yet another pro-life sound bite with absolutely nothing to support it.

Perhaps you haven't and for that you have my pity, for the rest of us living in the real world it most certainly has.

 

When a lot of people come to the exact same opinion independantly it's often correct.

We deserve pity for all the misery you've put us through.

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Ok now please stop insulting my bitterness and immaturity.

btw learn how to quote. It's annoying.

 

Well if we have a spiritual component then baby chopping is even more evil.

 

Hyperbole is annoying.