"It's a child from the moment of conception"?

Until 1869, the Catholic Church didn't think the "soul entered the fetus" until about the 16th week or "quickening".

 

You're all so mocking and condescending of listening to any ideas that don't fit your narrow view. As if you and you alone are the be all and end all of all knowledge. LOL Are any of you mothers??? Have you ever thanked your mothers for not being pro choice? By the time you have found out you're pregnant, life has begun. In the meantime shouldn't we play it safe and not kill a life in question?

 

There is no "life in question". It's a fetus that is aborted...

And, no, there's no mocking, just hitting back with facts you don't like.

No, I never thanked my mother for doing exactly as she selfishly pleased . ....as ALL women SHOULD.

 

It's called fighting fire with fire, when pro-lifers start calling pro-choicers murderers and abortionists then I'm afraid they have lain themselves open to any similar response.

No I'm not, physical impossibility (with current science) for me, though what has this has to do with abortion?

I am father to two boys and step-father to two daughters ,, but does not being a mother mean I cannot speak on abortion.

Why would I, she made the choice to have me, had she chosen differently I would be none the wiser .. that is what choice is about.

and this is relevant why, life began quite a long time ago, about 2.8 billion years I believe and I see you are another one promoting the erroneous claim that pro-choice people say that life doesn't start until birth, which anyone with a school level knowledge of biology will know to be wrong.

Play what safe, human beings take other human beings lives every single day .. don't see pro-lifers screaming about those though.

 

BTW, just for kicks....

I'd like to go back to the OP and its questions to the "it's a child from the moment of conception" folks and have you take notice that.....

NONE of them could answer specific questions about WHEN in the process of fertilization did it become a "child".

 

I AM a mother (and a grandmother as you might guess from my username), and my mother was pro-choice. That was a wonderful example for me. Play it safe for whom? You do understand, don't you, that pregnancy/childbirth is fourteen times more likely to cause death for a woman than abortion?

 

You mean like your narrow view that pro-choice women never choose to have babies?

It's called being pro-CHOICE not 'abort all pregnancies'.

My mom was pro-choice and she chose to have me and my two brothers. Someday I will choose to have children too (and I am pro-choice!), thankfully it actually will be my choice and not forced upon me since I grew up lucky enough to have good sex education and better access to birth control than most.

 

According to high school biology and Wikipedia: "Fertilization occurs when the nuclei of a sperm and an egg fuse to form a diploid cell, known as zygote. The successful fusion of gametes forms a new organism."

There's your answer.

 

Is that a "child" ?

 

In relation to the parents, yes. People often use the word "child" to be synonymous with progeny/offspring, even if it's passed or hasn't reached the developmental stage of childhood.

 

No, it is not a child, it is a zygote.....

What people" often use a word for " doesn't make it that thing. I call my car my "baby"...it isn't really, can you understand that???

 

Only if the parent(s) were actively seeking to have a 'baby', or if they decide to maintain the pregnancy after an 'accident' - the usage is informal and in a debate like abortion people should stick to the correct terminology, anything else is intellectually dishonest and used merely as an emotional tool to try and 'guilt trip' those who oppose them.

 

Child is a correct terminology and just because some people misuse it to try to guilt trip others doesn't make the word itself wrong. "This organism is a child of these other two organisms."

 

But in relation to the topic of abortion, it isn't.

 

no problem with child, though it would be better with the descriptive "unborn" .. it is when "baby" is used then that is incorrect.

 

On a related note, how about children conceived in vitro? Should parents have any say in what happens to the ones that aren't implanted?

 

As far as I am aware they do have a say to a certain point.

 

It is human. Certainly not as impressive a term as some of yours, but we know why you chose to phrase your questions the way you did.

 

You'll have to use the quote function if you want a response from the poster you're addressing.

 

Who is your comment directed at?

Please do use the "reply with quote" option at the bottom of each post, it makes it easier to see who you are addressing, and notifies that person that they have a response. Cheers.

 

Missed that. Thank you. THey were to the initial "questions" posed.

 

Neither the Church nor the US government had any tradition of being anti-abortion until quite late. ... and in the US it wasn't against the law.