Jesus Christ vs. Muhammad

= Quran is my proof that Mohammed is a false prophet.

= That is why Muslims are confuse they don't understand.

= And yet Muslim say the Bible is corrupt, if the Bible is corrupt then Mohammed is corrupt.

= Sura 8:61 is a false revelation invented by Mohammed a man who can not read and write.

= Wrong, Quran is from Mohammed not Allah, the Bible is from Allah, Allah commanded Mohammed and Muslims to read the Bible but because Mohammed was illiterate he did not understand Allah's command.

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= Indeed it proof otherwise, that it is all inconsistent and and full of false claims.

= Muslims are followers of Mohammed and his religion Islam; Christians are followers of Jesus Christ the religion of the God of Abraham.

= Mohammed was never a prophet he was an illiterate warlord.

 

Response: The Qur'an proves that Muhammad is a true prophet.

Response: Muslims are clear that islam is true and that the Bible is false, despite christian denial.

Response: Yet the Bible is clearly corrupt with many contradictions and discrepancies, unlike the Qur'an.

Response: Surah *:61 proves that islam is a religion of peace. Matthew 10:34 proves that Jesus of the Bible is violent, thus any religion based on the Bible is violent and false.

Response: The Qur'an is the true word of Allah. The Bible is the corrupted work of man.
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Response: The Bible is inconsistent, not the Qur'an.

Response: Muslims and Jesus are alike, in that they follow the true religion of islam, as according to the Qur'an and Bible.

Response: Muhammad (saw) was a true prophet. The Bible is false.

 

Oh stop.. you don't even know our bible much less the Koran..........
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QUOTE=WanRen;1061159262]= Quran is my proof that Mohammed is a false prophet.

= That is why Muslims are confuse they don't understand.



= And yet Muslim say the Bible is corrupt, if the Bible is corrupt then Mohammed is corrupt.

= Sura 8:61 is a false revelation invented by Mohammed a man who can not read and write.


= Wrong, Quran is from Mohammed not Allah, the Bible is from Allah, Allah commanded Mohammed and Muslims to read the Bible but because Mohammed was illiterate he did not understand Allah's command.

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= Indeed it proof otherwise, that it is all inconsistent and and full of false claims.



= Muslims are followers of Mohammed and his religion Islam; Christians are followers of Jesus Christ the religion of the God of Abraham.



= Mohammed was never a prophet he was an illiterate warlord.[/QUOTE]

 

= that is why the Quran is wrong it is not a holy book and Muslims have no other source except the corrupted Quran.

=Quran never said the Bible is false only Muslims says that this proof that Muslims have corrupted their own corrupted Quran. Christians are very consistent.

= Only Muslims are corrupt and inconsistent because they are emulating Mohammed who can not read. Christians have read the Quran, Bible and supported by historical text that proof the Quran is corrupt.

= Sura 9, 8, 5, 4, 2 etc. proof that Islam is a war book and a necromancer book of chants and mind control.

= Quran is the book of Mohammed, Bible is the book of Allah "read, consult with the Bible and the people of the book" Muslims have clearly disobeyed Allah and listen only to Mohammed.
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= The Bible is so consistent that Muslims kept using it as their reference because their Quran contains zero of the Holy revealed Book of Allah.

= Mohammed is a Muslims who created his own religion called Islam in order to destroy the True God of Abraham and the Son of God Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the fulfilment of God's covenant to Abraham and to the words He dictated to Moses to write down so that men will not forget that will become the Bible, the Bible that will have nothing to do with Mohammed the self proclaim prophet that wants to destroy Christ.

= Mohammed is a self proclaim prophet an illiterate man who can not and does not know how to read the Bible, he is a warlord.

 

Response: Yet the Bible is full of discrepancy, while the Qur'an is not.

Response: The Bible itseld is proof that it's false because of it's many contradictions and errors. The Qur'an is free of both, and is the proven true word of Allah.

Response: The Bible has over 40 authors and 20,000 manuscripts in which no two are identical, and has been through several revisions, proving that it is the work of man. The Qur'an has no change from the beginning, as it is the true word of one author, Allah.

Response: Verse 8:61 and 9:13 proves that islam fights only in defense. Matthew 10:34 is proof that the Jesus of the Bible is against peace and wants to kill by the sword.

Response: Qur'an is the word of Allah. The Bible is a book of fiction and man-made.
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Response: The Bible is consistently contradicting. The Qur'an is true with no discrepancy.

Response: Muhammad is the last and final prophet of islam and prophesied to come by Jesus himself in the Bible. Paul is the true founder of Christianity, a false ideology.

Response: Muhammad's illiteracy is proof that he is not the author of the Qur'an and the Qur'an challenge proves that it is from Allah. The Bible is a book that slanders God and says that he had sex with a girl in the field then became mad when she cheated on him and became a whore (Ezekiel 16:1-6, 38-40).

 

Funny, I don't get this vibe when reading the words of Christ. Christ once said that the law of God hinges on one thing, love. In fact, all the problems in the world can be traced for the absence of what Christ stood for, which is love.

 

How does the Quran prove that Mohammad is a false prophet?

Mohammad DID pass the test, can you please explain how he didn't? Infact, explain what is the test if you're so certain of what you speak is true.

We don't say the bible is corrupt, we believe it was "modified" from the truth and that the Quran was sent to share the real truth, the unmodified truth. Even Christians believe the bible has been edited, so don't somehow turn this around to Mohammad being 'corrupted'.
The bible was retranslated many many times, with each translation slightly taking it away from what was firstly written.

You're right, Mohammad cannot read or write.
What does Isiah 29:12 say?
'Then the book will be given to the one who is illiterate, saying, "Please read this." And he will say, "I cannot read."'
Even the bible says Mohammad is the real next prophet.

What? He didn't understand Allah's command because he was illiterate? Allah sent down angel Gabriel to give the book, the holy Quran, to Mohammad and to told him to read. He did, and then he was told to spread the word of Allah.

For the last time, we do believe in Jesus. We do believe that he was born to a virgin, we do believe he was a prophet. But the bible was modified from the real truth, and the Quran was sent to prophet Mohammad to clarify the truth. Infact, Jesus is the most (or second most) quoted and mentioned person in the Quran. So stop trying to claim the Quran is corrupt, it's not.

 

WOW _ you've really got an enormous bee in your bonnet about Mohamed , havent you ? LOL

No one has ever disputed Mohamed's illiteracy - very few people throughout the world could write in 6-7th Century .

One the other hand there's no conclusive evidence ab Jesus . education .

"The question of Jesus' literacy has been much discussed in modern scholarship; the Jesus Seminar and others feel references in the Gospels to Jesus reading and writing may well be fictions] In the view of John Dominic Crossan, a peasant such as Jesus would not have been literate. THere are NO manucripts/documents in Jesus writing . How much literacy would have been required from a carpenter ?

Where's the evidence of Jesus/ education ? Maybe he could or maybe NOT .



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Small modifications on the bible over the years none of which changed the original message. That being that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the lord and savior of all mankind who seek it. That has not changed.

 

In reality, one of those fits with right wing philosophy and the other fits with left.

 

Sounds better coming from John Lennon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Zan_e2bB0


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Jesus wasn't such a bad guy, deluded as are all prophets in my view, but to be fair to him most people if not all were 2000 years ago. It was times of hysterical superstition so you can forgive him for that. But you have to consider the Father he claims, and then look at this message of love. Now if I have a father who "loves" me, but in turn judges m every step, polices my thoughts, has created me sick and ordered me well, calculates my sins, demands constant praise and adulation, will condemn me to the pits of hell if I denounce him and don't grovel at his feet in repentance, considers me a sheep, is as sadistic (for example) to want to know whether I would murder my own son in his name, love is not what I would deduce from this behaviour, this is oppressive control... and I refuse to live under these conditions!

 

Christ said that he did not come to condemn the world but to give it hope. The message of love is like a husband wife relationship. You wish to please the other person, even though at tims it may be difficult. Of course, we have all witnessed husband wife relationships that have gone askew like the one you present. Nonetheless, even though these relationships can go askew for various reasons, it is still a beautiful thing when they are not dysfunctional like the one you present.

 

That may be, but I'm better looking.

Speaking of John Lennon, have you ever heard the story of his brief near conversion? I guess his wife, who was an ardent atheist, nixed his conversion chances right before he died.

 

No true Scotsman...

If all of the adherents of Islam seem to think that the Qu'ran orders them to do something, then it explains the events. If these violent acts were the result of culture, they'd be a part of a culture, and not spread throughout the faithful. And what we actually see is that violence against non-muslims, jizya and dhimmitude occur anywhere that muslims exist. It's not like it's confined to Iran or Saudi Arabia, it's all over the place. I think that does say something about Islam. By contrast, the acts of the Hillsburo Baptists are isolated because they occur in ONE community in Arkansas. If what they did represented Christianity, it would be common for Christians all over the world to protest at funerals. It wouldn't just occur in the US but in China, India, Italy and Mexico. Yet is doesn't because Jesus never said to do such a thing.

 

Most scholars believe that the Gospel of Mark is the earliest of the canonical gospels, and it was written around 70 A.D. That's nearly 40 years after Jesus's death, so obviously the 'first gospel' was based on the memory of someone (John Mark) after 40 years after Jesus was gone. Then every time it gets translated people will add a word or two and slowly, over centuries, change the meanings to something similar. Jesus is not the son of God, and that is the truth.

The 'violence' against non-muslims you talk about does not represent Islam. Ofcourse this exists in Muslim countries, but every country has people of a religion targeting others. Don't pin this to Muslims when every religion is known for their cases of this.
Infact, just the other day a mother of 5 muslim lady was beaten to death just because she was wearing her burqa, and was told to go back to her country. Hate crimes do not just come from Muslims, but from every religion. Do Christians beating up Muslims truly represent what Jesus spoke for? No, and the same go for Muslims. The actions of Muslims does not represent Islam if they do not follow what is written in the Quran.
If you think that does say something about Islam, then all the crimes commited against Muslims in the United States clearly does say something about other religions commiting the crimes, namely Christians.
Violence against non-muslims obviously exist in the middle east where majority are Muslims, but if the majority of the Middle East were Christians than they would too commit violence against non-Christians.
'No true Scotsman'

 

God is all merciful. Islam, however, does not believe this. They say it often, but the belief isn't there truly when magnified on the religion.

A man lives his life in darkness half of his life. He does many evil deeds and, while he has no excuses for his past behavior he comes to know God and gets a burning desire to fundamentally transform his life and do a 180. He walks the straight and narrow all the rest of his life and dedicates 110% of his life over to God for the remainder of his life. God weighs his good deeds vs evil deeds and because of his transformation so late in life he doesn't pass the test. Unfortunately, his evil deeds still vastly outweighed the good and God wasn't willing to cause an earthquake or anything to shake him over to the good side because it was just simply too imbalanced. You see. This is your God. You see. God is all merciful. God bless.

 

Quran was very clear, consult with the people of the book, read from the revealed book. Mohammed did none of those instead he did the opposite he attack the people of the book and have his scribes wrote his own version of the revealed book.

The best test, is to follow what God have instructed, Mohammed did not do that.

The Bible was define not edited, and if it was modified according to Muslims it still goes against what Muslims have been claiming that it is corrupt because the Quran was very clear the Bible was neither corrupt nor edited, how will they know if the Bible is corrupt if their sole prophet Mohammed did not even read it.

The Bible was translated and continues to be translated because as we become more and more educated we begun to discover new linguistic science that could uncover the true message of the Bible. Something that Muslims have failed to do instead they insist that God’s language is Arabic.

Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I don't know how to read." This verse is not referring to Mohammed it is referring to all who can not read. Why would Muslim think this verse refers to Mohammed, he is not the only illiterate person in the entire known world at that time the illiteracy rate is about 80%+. Muslims are just using the Bible to authenticate Mohammed legitimacy as a prophet.

That is why the person who can not read will have to consult with a person who can read and in this case Isiah or it is the prophets all the prophets are literate people follow by the church fathers. Mohammed failed to consult them as commanded by God plus Mohammed had every opportunity to learn to read, he did not took that time to educate himself.

Only Muslims claim that Mohammed was proclaim in the Bible the more reason why Muslims are using the Bible to authenticate Mohammed and Islam and at the same time claiming that the Bible is corrupt???

The spirit or angel that appear to Mohammed never introduce himself to be Gabriel, in fact Mohammed was sure it was a jinn or genie and it would be Khadija his wife and Waraqa his Christian cousin who will convince him it was Gabriel. When the spirit appears to Mohammed he told Mohammed to read 3x and 3x Mohammed responded he can not read that is when the spirit commanded Mohammed to recite. If there was a book where was it? Mohammed did not produce any book the only book would be those written by his followers after his death in 630 AD. Check out the Hadith and you will discover what I say is the truth, it is from Muslim sources. In fact, Muslims themselves are saying the Hadith is wrong, what would this mean more corruption and conflicts from Muslims themselves??

Then you are in conflict with history, do you agree that there was a man name Jesus of Nazareth was crucified because of blasphemy? Why did Quranic-Jesus send a decoy to be crucified? Why didn’t Quranic-Jesus testify to the Pharisees that he is not the son of God especially since that is what the Pharisees wants to hear from Jesus? Why didn’t the decoy Quranic-Jesus testify to the Pharisees that he is not the son of God instead he allowed himself to be torture and crucified for being the son of God?
Why the Romans conducted a campaign of persecution against Christians for 300 years for refusing to stop worshipping Jesus Christ?

I am beginning to suspect that Muslims have failed to understand their own religion and history???

I am sorry to disappoint you, but base on all those facts, the Quran is corrupt.

 

Anyone who is married under these conditions should get a divorce. The balance of power is far too dichotomous, why should your husband or wife demand constant obedience and praise? Why should they need to know everything you do at every second, why should it be that one member in infallible and perfect and the other is wretched, a born sinner, why is it one's duty to annihilate one's critical faculties and submit, regardless of warranted, understandable and human doubt. There is something in blind faith, though there is something vacant about it, I think it gives hope to a lot of people, hence the most devoutly religious tend to be poor. But, I think it much more beautiful to see people find strength within themselves without the crutch of their obsessive and possessive spouse.

 

Response: Yet words are defined by its definition, not by action, thus debunking your claim. So if there were a bunch of muslims performing acts and stating that it is the teaching of islam when the scripture itself says otherwise, then such acts does not reflect islam. Otherwise, according to your logic, love is wrong because many people perfom unjust acts in the name of love. Or if I bake a cake and call it chicken, then from now on, cake is chicken. Any reasonable person can see the absurdity in such logic.

 

Huh?

What are you talking about?

The koran says something about the relationship between a husband and wife .... wearing each other like a loose garment.

You have gone off on some weird rant based on your own notions of relationship.

 

No, you are taking my conversation with Montra out of context. Have a look at the dialogue leading to the post before you get involved. I'm quite happy to explain again if needs be but hopefully you will understand if you read preceding posts.

These are not "my own notions" at all.

 

Yes - Here are a few of John's quotes :...

"People always got the image I was an anti-Christ or antireligion. I'm not. I'm a most religious fellow. I was brought up a Christian and I only now understand some of the things that Christ was saying in those parables."

"I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It's just that the translations have gone wrong."

"I think a lot of bad things have happened in the name of the church and in the name of Christ and therefore I shy away from church."

John made a difference to a whole generation and his music continues to do so.


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There are many saying attributed to Jesus, all written several decades after his death often in stark contradiction to the image of Prince of Peace , for example : Mathew 10

34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35 For I have come to turn `a man against his father, a daughter
against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'
37 Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me
is not worthy of me;
anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me
is not worthy of me;


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Jews use to describe Jesus as an Egyptian Magician - going by the miracles he performed.
During Jesus' lifetime there was no land of "Israel " it did not exist . It can be argued that , Jesus having been born in a Roman province - part of the Roman Empire - He was therefore not "Israelite " but in fact a Roman citizen. If he was not a Roman citizen then the Sadducee High Priests could have had him killed any day ot the week .


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Gertcha - Jesus was as much son of a god as Thor was son of Odin, + Dionyssus the son of Zeus.

It didnt happen - Its - mythol-Ogeeeeeeeeeeee.

The so-called "evidence " is severely flawed.


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