Joe Biden Chooses Kamala Harris As V.P. Running Mate

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  1. CenterField

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    This was circa 1873. You seem to be unaware that the two main parties flipped positions and the early Republican party was the progressive one, while the early Democratic Party was the conservative one. Then in the late 19th and early 20th century they switched sides. There was even a party from 1870 to 1872 called "The Liberal Republican Party." They believed in civil and political rights for African Americans.
     
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    Her parents divorced when she was seven and she was raised by her Indian side of the family. Same with Obama he barely knew his father and was raised by his white side of the family.

    So why are both touted as representative of blacks? Why isn't she being promoted as the first India person to be nominated? Why wasn't it pointed out that Obama was raised "white".
     
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    I am aware of the propaganda. Only Strom Thurmon (Biden's buddy) actually switched parties.

     
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    "Harris grew up going to both a Black Baptist church and a Hindu temple.[20] She and her sister visited their mother's family in Madras (now Chennai)—on the southeastern coast of India—several times, the last time in 2009 when Harris returned with her mother's ashes and scattered them in the Indian Ocean waters.[21] [22] She says she was strongly influenced by her grandfather P. V. Gopalan, a retired Indian civil servant whose progressive views on democracy and women's rights greatly impressed her. She has remained in touch with her Indian aunts and uncles throughout her adult life.[23] She also visited her father's family in Jamaica.[24]"

    Which raised her and influenced her?
     
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    She is being promoted as such. She is being called both Black and South-Asian-American. Which is accurate.
    As a matter of fact her mother always raised her in an effort to infuse into her an African-American culture, likely because she wanted Kamala to have a sense of belonging instead of feeling like an outsider, at a time when people from India barely immigrated to the United States.
     
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    Again, you seem unaware that the switch occurred in late 19th century and early 20th century. What you are talking about happened much later. I'm not talking about individual members of parties switching to the other party. I'm talking about a whole ideological movement in which the old Republican party went from liberal to conservative, and the old Democratic party went from conservative to liberal. Again, this has happened more than 100 years ago. None of these people are alive now. The picture someone posted of early African-American Republican senator and representatives relates to a time when the Republican party was the liberal one.
     
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    Her mother and her family was her biggest influence, read what I cited "oh and BTW she also visited her fathers relatives". She says that her Indian grandfather was her biggest influence.

    "While not entirely estranged from her father, Harris was much closer to her mother, and it was her influence that shaped the future senator. Harris wrote in her book that she would see her father on weekends and in the summers, but lived with her mother and built the strongest ties with Gopalan’s close friends here and her family in India."
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/politic...-shaped-by-Berkeley-and-a-mother-15485359.php

    Certainly trying to claim an African-American, and she's not even that her father was Jamaican and that family BIG slavers, is politically expedient but quite an insult the Indian community and family which raised her.
     
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    Between the mid-1930's and 1964, 1 out of 3 blacks were voting Republican, so that does not represent an ironclad party switch. It was 1964 presidential candidate Barry Goldwater's rejection of the Civil Rights Act which drove blacks away from the Republican Party, and LBJ's welfare handouts which has cemented most of the black vote for 55 years. Goldwater was in the minority of Republican's in the 1960's. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for Civil Rights and Voting Rights than did Democrats, who controlled most of Congress at that time.
     
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    I think Kamala was chosen to appeal to college-degreed middle- and upper-class women (of all races), not to appeal to blacks or Asian-Indians. Biden would already have 80-90% of the black vote guaranteed if history repeats, and the DNC surely knows that there is a culture clash between African Americans (descendants of slaves) and black Africans and Caribbean people of color who immigrated voluntarily and became citizens. The newer black immigrants received all the rewards of the Civil Rights Era with none of the blood, sweat, or tears.

    Being a woman of color helps the Democrat narrative, but she's the VP choice to appeal to wealthier educated women across the board.
     
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    Seems so demeaning to me that he decided to choose a "woman of color" regardless of her qualifications. Like patting black women on the head and saying "I know you can't compete so I just won't look at your qualifications." Condescending, no?
     
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    What part of end of the 19th century you don't understand? For your information, end of the 19th century is around 1890. Again, the switch *I* talked about happened 120+ years ago. I am NOT talking about events in the mid-1930's to 1964.The poster posted a drawing from 1873, therefore it preceded that early switch. Gee!
     
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    What part of a bi-racial family you don't understand? Kamala is half black. Period. It doesn't matter who had custody. She still saw her black father "on weekends and summer" like you yourself are saying.
     
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    I understand the century breaks. You initially said end of the 19th and early 20th century. The 1930's were fairly early in the 20th Century. And it was FDR's administration (1933-1945) and the "New Deal" government security programs which started a shift, and yet the shift was only about 2/3rds.

    I don't know what you mean that "it preceded that early switch". Earlier than and early switch? 120 years ago would be 1900. So you're saying there was a party switch between 1873-1900? Then did some "switch back" to the point where the black vote grew again? Because it was 1 out of 3 Republican during the later period I mentioned.
     
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    Raise by and the most influential being her INDIAN side. What don't YOU understand. And I wonder how often the weekends were him living in California and she in Canada.
     
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    The entire race and skin color focus is patronizing and condescending. Tribalism can't survive very long. We already see it breaking down today. It doesn't matter what skin tone Kamala was born into. She was born with advantage and privilege relative to the people Democrats coddle as "oppressed" based on color or genitalia.

    Also, Kamala does have some serious qualifications as an independent achiever, regardless whether someone agrees with her political side of the aisle. It's insulting to reduce her accomplishments to "Black, Asian, Woman," but those are the DNC and media "major selling points." But that's the DNC for you.
     
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    Yes. She was even a lousy candidate who could not raise any money and turned people off.
     
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    ~ What a mess ... :no:
     
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    I'm "of color", I am tan, a fleshy color with some pink mixed in. I get so sick of hearing the "of color". I remember back in the 60's and 70's it was proud to be "black" then it turned to "african" then to "african-american" and then "of color".

    He even white is a COLOR.
     
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    The Democrat of the 20th century was liberal and populist and also segregationist. The myth that all the segregationist Democrats moved over to the Republican party, which had finally just won the Civil and Voting rights they had longed for, and did so BECAUSE of racism is exactly that a myth.
     
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    I thought we enlightened people were suppose to look beyond such trivial things as a persons race and gender.
     
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    Who says she is not qualified? I find her to be very qualified. Other than Susan Rice she was the most qualified in the race.
     
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    That's how I was raised. That's how I live my life. That's why I'm not a Democrat.
     
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    She is certainly qualified to put black males in jail. Other than that what?

    Tell me as a white male why should I vote for her since she is will most likely be President before the term is over, what is it she is offering me to get my vote?
     
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    Illegals, are not equal to Any American. Nor are they equal to a person that has served America in the military. I am tired of the demand of most Democrats and Pelosi that all this people be treated equally and with benefits only Americans have earned.
     
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    disagree, michelle obama got the same affirmative action handouts from the civil rights era as kamala harris.

    welfare is distributed equitably to all of the colored people
     
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