Just so you know, you could make him stop.

I'm speaking to Trump supporters collectively. It's not mandatory for you give your approval for everything he does. If you vocally object, stop contributing to his legal defense, or withdraw your support, he'll stop doing things like this.

Trump meets with Hungary’s leader, Viktor Orbán, continuing his embrace of autocrats

Former President Donald Trump met Friday with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, as the likely Republican presidential nominee continued his embrace of autocratic leaders who are part of a global pushback against democratic traditions.

Orbán has become an icon to some conservative populists for championing what he calls “illiberal democracy,” replete with restrictions on immigration and LGBTQ+ rights. But he’s also cracked down on the press and judiciary in his country and rejiggered the country’s political system to keep his party in power while maintaining the closest relationship with Russia among all European Union countries.

In the U.S., Trump’s allies have embraced Orbán’s approach. On Thursday, as foreign dignitaries milled through Washington, D.C., ahead of President Joe Biden’s State of the Union address, Orbán skipped the White House and instead spoke at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank overseeing the 2025 Project, the effort to create a governing blueprint for Trump’s next term.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-or...ocrats-biden-97d6998f747d3543f2f1df069b0f9165

Unless you like it.

 

Orban is not an autocrat he is a Hungarian Nationalist who puts his own citizenry first and bullshit artists second. This country could use a few more such.So could every country in the world. This citizen of the world BS is simply killing the average Joe and you keep wondering why average Joe is showing less and less tolerance for the blowhards running their own countries into the ground.

 

We keep seeing how liberals are over focused on all things trump.

Shouldn't they be focused on their own issues?

 

So, what do you expect to accomplish by talking down to people who don't hate Trump with the required fervor?

 

So you like it.

 

So, you think I give a ****?

 

They won't admit they have any. Hell they think an hour staying vertical and hurling insults and screaming at a Microphone while on uppers means oblivious Joe isn't senile.

 

Yes.

 

They can't / won't. They are in too deep now. Some actually WANT a more authoritarian style of leadership. They want trump to deliver that.

Any rational plea for reason, goes to deaf ears./ eyes.

 

For someone that doesn't.... you seem to have some strong opinions.

 

Can you post an example?

 

You know he's the presumptive nominee of your party, right? Are you in favor of him hosting an autocrat at the place he stored stolen classified docs?

 

That's an interesting thought - that the following want an authoritarian style of leadership. I think they see Trump as the authoritarian who will punish all liberals and liberal policies, which would be great for them. Even the oppression of the judiciary and press would be fine with them. Hell, I think they would be okay with his reworking 'the system' so that the republicans can stay in power indefinitely. It doesn't appear that they can see the big picture and what that would do - in the long run - to the country.

 

This is the first time I have ever heard of this Prime Minister of Hungary.

You are holding yourself up as being someone knowledgable about him. What makes him authoritarian?

 

Personally, I think it much more viceral than that. They rationalize/explain him as "sticking it to the man". They say he's their wrecking ball. But, IMO, he's the poster child of privilige (something they see and they are afraid to lose) and that's the viceral desire they hold on to.

I don't think they actually realize how quickly they will no longer be needed anymore if he gets back into the WH, he'll coop media/industry/organization/judicary and delegate it his chosen "oligarchs". They will become even let relevant them as they will be able to still vote but it won't count which is what they tink is only going to be rendered onto everyone else.

Just look at the Hungarian model once Orban was re-elected.

 

You could do the same with Bribed Demented Open Borders Joe.

 

I'm not holding myself as being particularly knowledgeable, but I am aware of news occurring in places other than the US. If you haven't heard of Orban, you should do some reading. Particularly before joining a thread about the man.

 

Did you ever stop to think that the democrats are running, chose the wrong candidate to defeat Trump? This election isn’t just about Trump, although most Americans dislike him and don’t want him to regain the white house. The problem is Biden today is disliked by more Americans than Trump, most Americans don’t want Biden reelected. This election as it is turning out just might be more about Biden than Trump in the minds of most Americans.


I know, that’s impossible for the Democrats to admit. Slightly more Americans have a positive view of Trump than Biden. 40.1% positive or favorable for Biden, 42.5% positive or favorable for Trump.


https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/joe-biden


https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump


I think this CBS article/poll explains why Trump is leading Biden today. That Biden is the wrong candidate to take on Trump. That this election is if not has become more about Biden than about Trump.


CBS News poll finds voters remember Trump's economy as good, boosting Trump to national lead over Biden today


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-trump-leads-biden-economy/


And – Why it will be tough for Biden to defeat Trump


https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-tough-biden-defeat-trump-123037214.html

 

Id suspect, if being honest, you probably know almost nothing about him either.

I see the headlines coming from the EU and Joe Biden about him being autocratic, but there is never anything presented that backs up that accusation. They just say it, and then like-minded people go forth and spread that word without actually grasping why it is that they are making that claim, other than people they like have said it so they say it too.

It looks as if that is how you came to make this accusation.

I don't do that. When I make an accusation about someone or something. I know exactly why I am saying it. Call me old-fashioned I guess. I prefer to know what I am talking about before I discuss something. This requires going beyond a headline.

 

I didn't accuse you of anything. You made the point that you knew nothing about him - I suggested you read up on him before weighing in because, as you say, you want to be knowledgeable before discussing anything.

 

Yet you hadn't followed your own advice.

You called him an autocrat and offered no reason when I inquired. I don't necessarily need to know about the guy, but then again, IM not speaking about him as If I know what I am talking about. There is no need for you to tell me to do some reading. It is you who should do the reading, at least you should if you are going to parrot characterizations of him as you have done.

My point was that a lot of you folks on the left are blindly mimicking what others have insinuated about him, which is that he is an autocrat, when in truth, this is a baseless accusation coming from his enemies in Europe who don't like his policy decisions. You made the accusation, but were unable to say why.

I know why, its because you read a couple of headlines.

 

If the electorate can't see the progress we've made under Biden or the danger Trump represents and elects the latter, then we deserve what we'll get. A disaster.

 

So, you’re happy with perhaps running the only democrat that could possibly lose to Trump? The American people other than democrats that is, don’t think there’s been much progress under Biden or that he’s done a good job. Perhaps it’s because most democrats live within their own little cocoon and can’t see the total political landscape. Or perhaps they don’t want to? Perhaps making a statement with Biden is much more important to them than winning an election or denying Trump the presidency again? Well, so be it.


By the way, have you looked at Biden’s overall job performance or how all of America views his job and how he handled the issues facing this country? Just to let you know. There’s a whole larger world of politics out there than just inside the Democratic Party’s cocoon.


https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating


https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues

 

The solution is simple.
Beat trump in the voting booth.
Propaganda isn't going to do it.

You don't have much to work with in biden/ harris.

Need to get started.

 

The guy who supports the guy who takes bribes from foreign oligarchs is going to lecture Trump supporters on ethics?

That's like being called fat by the ladies on The View.

Or stupid by a Horse Slappin' Left Wing Protester



Trump's Brilliant Move To Host Orban at Mar-a-Lago

'Now in general election mode, former President Donald J. Trump is playing three-dimensional chess against a sitting president who can barely manage to play checkers as his controlling staff shouts out which pieces to move.'



'Former President Trump just demonstrated his mastery of campaign tactics, geo-political implications, and winning domestic policy by inviting Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban to Mar-a-Lago this past Friday for a wide-ranging meeting.'

'In one fell swoop Trump sent a strong signal to our allies and adversaries alike; fired a shot across the bow of the failing White House, Biden campaign, and the Deep State; gave the impression to the American people that he is already on par with – or ahead of – their current president; and struck a populist message around the world with those yearning for the rule of law, sovereign borders, legal and controlled immigration, and national and economic security.'

'While many -- to all -- on the left and in the liberal corrupt media dislike Prime Minister Orban – a badge of honor for him – those in and out of his country who do care about sovereign and protected borders, legal and controlled immigration, the rule of law, personal safety, and the need for a national identity believe him to be an exceptional leader. A view former President Trump not only shares but loudly echoed from Mar-a-Lago when he said: "There’s nobody that’s better, smarter or a better leader than Viktor Orban. He’s fantastic…”'