KGB Tactics

LOL... So work them out? you are the one proclaim it is easy.

NSW, found out exactly how much loss could be gained from improper management with loses of up to 80% of the industry in the state, and you proclaim that it would happen overnight.

To bust the myth, do the maths. just saying you can do it that way, does not bust anything.

 

Oh sure, use an example of a business that travels anything between 50,000 to 250,000 km a year as a reason to expose that unless you do lots of km's a year, there will be negligible savings. Perhaps next time you are sitting in one of those cabs, with somebody who actually pays to put the fuel in the car, you could ask them. It is my experience and conversations I a have had with those very same taxi drivers that have brought me to understand such.

But hey, don't mind me. However, being such a Eco-friendly person as yourself, Why don't you buy a Hybrid?

 

I worked it out for you already garry, do you want me to work out fuel costs for you as well. Common mate, don't start moving the goal posts around, the game is over already! That is why treasury and government clearly and methodically suggest that bread will cost up to 1 cent extra.........Don't let them hoodwink you anymore buddy! The government just didn't all of a sudden decide to have a price on carbon without any costings.....common garry!! It took a team of expert people external to the government to cost out and model. Noooo! Wayne Swan, Gillard and combet didn't sit down with a calculator and bottle of the finest to work out!

 

Money, your God not mine. Who said anything about economical, yes you need to do a lot of k's to get back the cost of conversion. That could be offset if people were genuine. I'm talking about the emissions, environment is more important to me then the dollar. But my comment was mainly about engine wear. Again, engine wear has an environmental affect. The cleaner fuel causes less engine deposits, cleaner oil, less wear, engines maintain efficiency longer, stay environmentally friendly longer.

I travel long distances and LPG is much more efficient for large loads (I take stuff to Dad's) over long distances.

I have been driving LPG cars for 25 years, I know what's going on, not just talking out my r's.

 

Well give us your results, instead of just telling us how treasury and the government tell us what something should be. Perhaps you missed that fact, that Gillard is now trying to rectify the OVERSIGHTS of this policy because they got it right as you proclaimed.

Come on give us your understanding of what calculations YOU have made. Instead of telling us you have already done the math.

 

Oh yes, sorry about that, Gas does not produce any carbon emissions does it? How many emissions does gas produce per litre? How many KM do you get per litre?

Perhaps you could tell us, How much savings to the eviroment is made from those cleaner oil's. How far does a taxi go before it is scrapped? As said, if you do a lot of KM's then their is significant savings in all areas.

And I have been working on them as well. Does not detract from my point

 

from http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/whatislpg.html

See I do something you don't .... back up my claims

enough, it's like talking to a 3 year old

 

what costings are you expecting Garry, a part from the example I have already given you above, which demonstrates how costs will be spread( Have you looked at that)?? otherwise you name them and I will calculate!
A leg of lamb will apparently cost 14 cents more, but that is due to the process, which you are alluding to in terms of transport, electricity costed along the line until it is retailed!

Stop playing silly buggers Garry!!, you are being silly now.

 

Google is just one of many wonderful tools you could use. If you think something is right, google it to be sure, you may learn something, but first, switch off those bloody radio jocks

 

LOL... something I don't do? Nice try.

but that does not answer my questions, does it?

 

One post which provides some evidence does not make you any better than I have stated.

 

NO, you said you had already worked them out. Not me. show us YOUR calculations.

It was not me playing silly buggers here, it was you. Now you claim to have done the calculations, and yet you will not show them.

With your calculations have you worked out the cost of refridgeration? Have you worked in the disposal of waste? How about the added maintanence cost of production equipment?

 

Electricity has been costed in. Disposal of waste will be too insignificant to calculate. Maintenance cost would not be significant either, if at all, which would depend on competition, so cost of maintenance could well be lower under a CP like every other product or service, which all depends on demand.

Refridgerator costs could have an added cost across all products, but will depend what price is paid and whether cheaper products are used, which wouldn't see a huge increase on products across the board. If anything, it would be less than the cost of electricity.

Anything else

 

There seems to be a lot of could of, should ofs, maybes, and assumptions flying around here.

Here's an idea........let's wait and see what happens. Someone's going to be right, but we will not know any outcomes in the short term, on either side.

 

So as Gillard herself does not know herself, you who, proclaimed to have done the calculations exclude things becasue IYO they would be insignificant. As suspected, you have busted NOTHING then.

Maintenance would be cheaper under the carbon tax? LOL... what is going to cheaper under carbon tax?

So your claim that, your calculations are simple would be, incorrect? And not accountable on anything.

 

common slippery, i've said this a thousand times now, but everyone wants to play the game and act like consumate experts, totally debasing treasury and the actual experts. Leave us with our game....lol

 

It takes simple mathmatics to grasp the general concept, that is what I was demonstrating....I think what you would like to believe is that the cost of a carton of milk and loaf of bread will cost $10, because this is in your mindset regarding the price increases under a CP BECAUSE this is the picture abbott paints for you.....lmfao! Now, where is your evidence that prices are going to skyrocket?

 

Vigilante, treasury and "experts" have used modeling. This does not mean it is EXACT. Models are a guide to what may happen in the best of their knowledge, and in no way are infallible. Just ask New Zealand who have decided to scale back their ETS to cushion the unexpected impact it has had on low income households because of economic downturn. The models they ran in no way signified this outcome, because........they are just a guide.

Vigilante don't be so full of yourself.....your opinion is just that, an opinion. You are not Gods gift to the forum.

"leave us to our game". Scoff worthy stuff that !

 

And you would be incorrect. I am pointing to the price rises of everything, and that we can pick and chose one product, proclaim it as a small amount to pay, Sure sounds small. But as an entire issue, snowball effect.

BUT put it all together, and it becomes a large increase, that the poorer of this nation can not afford. it is YOUR claim that compensation will cover this, not mine. I claim it is not enough.

But you would try and claim we can all work it out, as long as we do not include things YOU do not think is a consideration, to calculate the TRUE cost of such, which you can not do yourself. Apparently the government and treasury have it right, as long as we exclude those oversights Gillard is attempting to address currently.

Prices do not need to sky rocket at all.

let us look at DV's grand father

how much increase is the entire amount that he will pay?

As one would consider it does not generate much carbon to produce these products, showing the little that is realised about how food reaches the table, How much should he be looking at with his grocery shopping? let alone the increase in power costs.

and when you do your modelling, you should take everything into account, otherwise it is simply wrong.

 

settle pettle......I expect an apology from you now slippery. It was in reference to you suggesting we should wait to see the results, regarding the debate occuring between garry, DV and I.

Please go back and read it, rather then let the hair stand up on your neck. There was a lol in there i see!

 

I'm considering everything as well. So if we went to the supermarket and purchased what DV's dad purchased and the carbon price equated to 50 cents for instance for the lot. Would you complain?

 

Oh so you suggest now 50c increase across the board? what if he went to the supermarket and his entire purchase was now $70, would you complain?


It is obvious that you do not consider everything, as you seem to think waste management is insignificant and that maintenance could actually be cheaper, ALL because of the carbon tax.

Not everybody is in the same position as me and you, many will actually suffer greater than others. That is not insignificant in any fashion.

 

50cents for the lot I said, not for each individual item! This is what was stated in this post you reference was it not?

 

50cents for the lot I said, not for each individual item! This is what was stated in this post you reference was it not?

 

and what was my reply? Oh so you suggest now 50c increase across the board? meaning his gorcery cost would now be $60.50c.