Labor Government to raid dormant bank accounts

Hey slippery

Like aussie suggests we could vote on these big issues through the CIR at federal elections, this would greatly reduce the cost of having a CIR on its own.

How a CIR vote on a matter can come to fruition?

I'm not sure how we would do this?

Can there be some government internet site that requires a certain number of people to vote and put their name down in protest or opposing what the government wants?

I'm all ears on this one.

 

Like i said how about a government online voting site.

If enough people put their names down in protest about a certain issue,

Then at the next federal election we get to vote on it.

Lodging your protest and the mechanism that could spark a CIR, could cost as little as the cost of running an internet site or could be part of the federal governments internet site.

This would cost peanuts in my opinion.

 

You see now we have real discussion, not name calling and mud slinging.

D&D definitely has merit, even if it is only used as a social indicator. We should be going to elections with real issues and policy at hand.

Good work dude.

 

Hi slippery

If 25% of the population votes on line finding and crossing their names of the register just like in an election this should be enough to initiate a CIR at the next federal election.

This would be more than just a social indicator.

It would be cause for all Australians to vote on the issue at hand.

How did i arrive at the 25% of the population.

Well all Australians matter ofcourse and all have an equal footing in the voting system.

We have approximatley 12 million taxpayers, so half this number was taken and divided by the total population and we end up getting 25%.

If 25% of the population (nearly 6 million people) descended upon Canberra in protest about the carbon tax would this not scare the be-jesus out of any government?

Imo 25% is the number of online voters that should initiate a CIR for the next federal election where everyone will vote.

Now thats democracy imo.


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yep 25% is a good number. To be devils advocate here. Didn't we go to an election where the then prime minister stated that there would be no carbon tax on my watch, only to turn around and implement the very thing she said she wouldn't . This was a very big part of the campaign.

So question is.....how do you stop that ?

there would have to be some kind of avenue to dissolution. We may always be voting.lol.

obviously we are talking about each election. What happens during something like the gfc ? Where a quick response is needed.

Essentially we are talking about a similar system to the one we have. Currently if we don't like the policy we don't vote for them, don't we ?

 

When politicians like Gillard announce on prime time TV that there will be no carbon tax............!!!

Then if she breaks that promise there SHALL be a CIR to see if the people want it.

After all she probably got her nose in front because she said she wouldn't and that farking b!tch did, forgive me but steam comes out of my ears when i think about it, cause i voted for her because of those very words.

Broken promise = straight to a CIR any time of day or night.

A decent politician would announce there intentions months out from the election and if enough people vote against it on the government internet site (25%) then a CIR will come with the Fed election.

In times of war i guess democracy stands still.

During a GFC i still think a CIR could apply depending upon the circumstances.

OHHH yeah and voting for a CIR will not be compusory, if you feel that strongly about it you will make your way to vote on line.

 

Seems like STEALING !!

What if they know who the owner of the account is? What if it is just a little old lady who never got the message that the government was going to confiscate accounts that had not had a withdrawal in the last 3 years? Not everyone constantly uses every account they have.

 

interesting, CIR shouldn't just be for altering the constitution only but it's a start
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Citizen Initiated Referendum

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Senator Madigan: To move—That the following bill be introduced: A Bill for an Act to enable the citizens of Australia to initiate the holding of a referendum in relation to altering the Constitution, and for related purposes. Citizen Initiated Referendum Bill 2013.



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http://www.johnmadigan.com.au/campaign/citizen-initiated-referendum/

 

Slippery, at this stage, I`m disgussing the idea of including referenda on certain core issues, within the electoral process.

For instance, when Howard went to the pols on GST the issue. Howard & the Libs were voted in, which they took as a mandate for the GST, but this could have been handled much more accurately, and efficiently. As to the "accuracy" aspect, this system is too assumptive, too non specific, it fails to allow expression of a range of voters` wishes. For instance, any voter who wanted the libs to govern, but were against the introduction of the GST, weren`t catered for.

It would have been more efficient to have run a referendum on the GST, in conjunction with the election. This shouldn`t have cost much, and would have made for a stronger democratic process. I suppose there should be a way to include CIR`s?

 

Yes Aussie. To run a referendum within the electoral process seems, on the surface, to be the most financially and less intrusive form of referenda. This however does not cater for major issues that arise post election, or mid term. This is where Mario is getting frustrated, as there seems little recourse for the voter when this happens. Perhaps a mid term referendum with many issues on the card would alleviate this ?

There will always be extenuating circumstances like a global financial melt down that these referendum could not cater for, as time would not permit it.

I for one am not opposed to filling out a referendum on election day. Not only would it involve the voter more, but may alleviate the issue of helplessness felt by many Australians about this process. Including a referendum during the election process should not cost much more. It would be interesting, using the GST example you gave, if the major policy was not majority supported and the party that owned it gained power.

For the records i think the GST was and is still a great idea. Instead of carbon tax, resources tax, tax on this, tax on that, tax on breathing, we should just jump up the GST to 12.5%. Easier as it is already implemented and would be a greater source of revenue without having too much impact.

This might be for another discussion however. Lol.

 

OK let’s just clear a few things up here, for those that say CIR is too expensive…the fact is that it is way more expensive if we do not have this system in place….I have given examples in above posts how much it has cost us by not having a mechanism in place to put a leash on these corrupt sold out politicians! Why do you think they behave the way they do…?i.e lie directly to our faces (Gillard should be arrested for fraud, she lied to become PM, big incentive for her to lie for financial gain), biggest bunch of perverted sleaze bags (Slipper, Thompson etc).

Sending our troops off to die in wars started by bankers to control other countries resources and install Rothschild central banks……. Why would our politicians do that when those countries have done nothing wrong to us?

You see one thing you really need to understand is even if these politicians wanted to do the right thing they can’t because the Zionist lobby will destroy them (financially and media demonisation)if they do not follow orders. These politicians are totally controlled by lobbies with lots of money and they have to do what they are told or they are destroyed, they currently have nothing to protect them.

CIR will give politicians balls to stand up against zionazi bankers that want to enslave us….because they know the people will be behind politicians that will do the right thing and these bankers can go to hell…and the bankers can do f all about it if we have CIR unless they start to introduce some dodgy vote counting system!

Getting it yet?

Good politicians need us to protect them from the banker mafia! CIR does exactly that!

 

I initially couldn't see a problem with GST and was quite critical of Beasley pretending to oppose it, especially due to the fact it was actually a labor party policy initially. Anyway, there were many constructive policies that may not have got through as a consequence of ignorance and media persuasion. I'm a believer in AGW and fully support the fixed carbon price. Many people don't understand what it means for Australia by acting relatively early because of mainstream media reporting. As with the RBA's stats that demonstrate labours economic proficiency as opposed to the libs, it won't be really recognised via mainstream media, until it becomes retrospect once again. The mainstream media gather that if you want to know the truth then you have to search for it!.

 

What an absolutely disgusting cash grab, I am appalled.

The GST is a stupid regressive tax that creates huge VFI. Either it needs to be abolished so the states can raise more revenue themselves, or the feds need to take over full responsibility of the public health system. It's a total bloody shambles at the moment.

And yes we should definitely have CIR like the Swiss.

And yes we definitely need a strong Constitutional process for deploying troops overseas. It should at the very least require a vote from the full parliament. It is absolutely ridiculous that the indirectly elected PM and his chosen cabinet can effectively declare war on behalf of the entire country.

 

I nearly changed my position on the CIR when I noticed that switzerlands debt per GDP ratio (48%)was half that of other European economies and the US, then realised our debt per GDP is less than half theirs(21%).

 

It`s sort of sad, in a pathetic way, to see someone parading their fiscal ignorance by claiming that out of control govt debt is OK, because of the GDP - debt ratio, during this huge mining boom. Although it`s simply ming boggling to see someone regect CIR on the basis of the debt - GDP ratio of a country on the other side of the world, that has virtually nothing in common with Australia.

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It`s sort of sad, in a pathetic way, to see someone parading their fiscal ignorance by claiming that out of control govt debt is OK, because of the GDP - debt ratio, during this huge mining boom. Although it`s simply ming boggling to see someone regect CIR on the basis of the debt - GDP ratio of a country on the other side of the world, that has virtually nothing in common with Australia.

 

It's sort of sad in a pathetic way when you haven't followed the conversation, but contribute without context. Don't get lazy now free2lie, keep up now!

 

Whatever helps you with your denial.

 

Hey, look its about exposing your stupidity, mission accomplished!

 

I think its important to keep in mind that when we are referring to Switzerland that acknowledge the fact that it is geographically half the size of Tasmania and carries a population around a third of Australia's. in fact it is only double of Sydney and Melbourne.

This is important to remember when dealing with the administration of said CIR.

 

After, a little bit of light reading on the Swiss political system and how it works, it is actually strange other systems didn't embrace it. The only reason I could see why western countries didnt embrace it was because it grew from communistic ideals. I could be wrong on this, but that is how I read in to it.

 

There's no reason (other than politicians being against it) that CIR could not at least be trialed in Australia. Can't see how the size of Australia makes any difference, we manage perfectly well with local, state and federal elections, all that would need to happen is you fill out a couple of extra pieces of paper at election time. Not to mention, Australia is one of the most urbanized countries in the world, we're rolling out an NBN and have the very efficient AEC.

And I agree, the debt to GDP ratio of Switzerland has absolutely nothing to do with CIR in Australia.

 

Communistic ideals? man you are way over the top telling us that people having a say on making the laws of a country, and firing corrupt politicians is communistic. We know what is communistic and Juliar Gillard fits it perfectly...or did you forget that the will of the people doesn't matter with her focking lies when it comes to conning people to vote for her and her revolting party....now that is communism....not that Howard was any better but at least he didn't turn the Aussie population into debt slaves on behalf of those international bankers that are not even Australian....oh and if you actually had a clue you would actually know that communism is a Banker invented ideology to get total control of populations and nations....CIR is the enemy of Communism as people naturally will resist communism (slavery)

 

Now, now, Gillard is a Capitalist, even the Greens are Capitalists. Closest thing we have to Communism at the moment is the Katter Party.

And yeah CIR has democratic ideals not communist ideals.

 

If they are controlled by Zionist bankers which they are, they have communist ideals....period! Communism is a Zionist invention, i.e IMF, World Bank and their boss Bank of International Settlements!

Easy to learn this stuff now we have the internet....hence why those commie banker bastards want to censor the internet!


Look at this Zionist banker that the sold out Aussie Govt sold the Comm bank to ( JP Morgan, owners the Rockefeller's) complain that they made a mistake in allowing the internet to go ahead!
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Jay Rockefeller: Internet should have never existed

[video=youtube;Ct9xzXUQLuY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuY[/video]

 

The IMF and the World Bank are Capitalist institutions.