lincoln the movie

Facts go in one ear and out the other with liberals. They base their conclusions on touchy-feely, bleeding heart emotionalism because it makes them feel good, and that's the conclusion they stick with, no matter what.

 

Like any good politician...Lincoln portrayed himself in a light that would help further his cause.

You have no idea what the history is you think is being revised

So every book written about him since 1870 is revisionist?. They all say pretty much the same thing.

Of course his first concern was white voters, just like Republicans today, is that bad?

 

But then we went on to make that POS Crystal Skull sequel. (*)(*)(*)(*) 'im

 

I think it's fair to say that Lincoln believed in black equality and the abolition of slavery, but also recognised (rightly) that blacks are simply too physically different from whites to be able to integrate successfully. When you have that kind of physical distinction, it's too easy for people to be prejudiced.

These are his personal views, mind you, not the policies he enacted. He alone didn't have power to change America in a day.

 

Executive Mansion,
Washington, August 22, 1862.

Hon. Horace Greeley:
Dear Sir.

I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Yours,
A. Lincoln.

There you have it. Lincoln was concerned with the union, not with slavery one way or the other. The Emancipation Proclamation was a political tool, not the object of the Civil War. In fact, that proclamation, I am told, was effective ONLY in the CONFEDERATE states, not in the Union states. This was done to keep foreign powers, Great Britain in particular, from supporting the Confederacy, since they would not want to be seen as supporting slavery.

 

Goldwater in your twisted thoughts Stormfront boasts tens of millions of members. Essentially every person in the western world who doesn't agree with you is a member of stormfront.

Personally I would have banned you for the stormfront personal attack ages ago. Its tired, worn out, cliche', insulting and immediately drags down the discussion board. For the love of god stop using it!

For (*)(*)(*)(*)s sake you just accused a Latino of being a member of Stormfront! Dont you think that should give you pause that you just might over use it.

 

When I saw the previews I could see it exactly for what it was - pushing this Obama agenda and actually portraying the poor man as anything akin to Obama. Lincoln was a sober man and did not go off on these high strung fits as portrayed by Lewis in the film. Agree with you about Speilberg completely, the guy is a Jew but he still doesn't get it that Obama prefers Palestine over Israel.

Can you believe all these movies about Lincoln since Barry asked to use Lincoln's bible to get sworn in? That's the first time he's ever touched one I'll bet and I'm sure he's never even cracked one open. Wacked out Robert Redford's movie on Lincoln was a huge, convoluted mess about nothing. They both look iike such obvious, stupid tools for Obama it is quite silly - just like the suck-up media.

 

None of them are concerned all that much about Israel. Not American Jews (they did opinion polls), and not Obama. Progressivism. They live it. They breath it. They ARE it. It is their religion and if a man is a progressive Jews will jump all over him.

Israeli Jews and American Jews alike. Jews the world over are in fact radically leftist, liberal people.

 

Except Mark Levin. Too bad there aren't more like him.

 

Hmmm what high strung fits? Other than him shouting once at his wife and once at his cabinet, I don't remember him even raising his voice in the film. The film portrays him as very sober and very human.

Because being Jewish and Israel are such an integral part of Lincoln the movie.....

Based upon your deep personal conversations with President Obama?

Or we could listen to President Obama read from the Bible

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMk-SoNuMWg


9/11 Memorial: Obama Reads Psalm 46 From Bible
Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/new...salm-46-from-bible-55411/#qOK1FK4dd5D8Gwcr.99

http://www.christianpost.com/news/9-11-memorial-obama-reads-psalm-46-from-bible-55411/

 

Jews

Jews

Jews

A whole lotta concern about Jews in a thread about Lincoln the Movie.

 

I know.

You are dying to restrict my speech.

It could be in your blood.

 

Well we are in agreement about one thing- this is about Jews, Jews, Jews for you.

However, you seem to have delusions that you can read my mind- since I have yet to suggest or claim that I want your speech restricted, when in fact the opposite it true- I want people to see your comments about this movie and Jews.

I have no clue what your comment about my blood means....

 

This thread is not about Jews, it is about lincoln the movie and the historical revisionism of lincoln. But threads progeess , evolve and so on

Speaking of which, since you seem to be fascinated about Jews.

Anything else you can think of that has been subjected to the same thing this movie has, in history?

 

I'm sorry to hear that. The last thing we need is more Hollywood lies presented as historical fact. Bummer.

 

Well I am not particularly fascinated by Jews- frankly unless someone yells "Jew" I usually am unaware that someone is a Jew.

I am fascinated by the nexus between those who despise the movie and those obsessed with Spielberg being a Jew.

Once again your sorays out of the thread escape me....

 

Liberal holly wood timed it to come out now, because there is going to be a lot of secession talk and the movie reminds them who won last time.

 

Just out of curiosity, who are these people in hollywood pushing lies on our children, and citizenry in general?

I ask myself, can they be identified, collectively?

 

He also made:

Indiana Jones and the Kindom of the Chrystal Skull
Jurassic Park: The Lost World
War of the Worlds
The Terminal
Always
Hook
AI


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They all SUCKED.

 

I am going to do a very brief response. The words are inscribed on the wall of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC. Answer away if you dare.


Fellow-Countrymen:

AT this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured. 1
On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came. 2
One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether." 3
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.

I would like you to pay particular attention to these words:

Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether." 3

Before you ever again call Lincoln a racist or fail to understand the absolute grandeur of this great man, read these words and marvel at them. Has the debt been paid? Easy for those who never suffered the lash to say so. We will leave the anti-semitism implied by several responses for another day and leave us all to revel in the words of our superior human being.

 

You guys aren't going to start hating Stephen Speilberg now are you?...

I know you guys still hate Tom Hanks for his comments regarding The Pacific miniseries, but really?.....Speilberg for this?

 

Not for this, no.

I basically knew while entering the theater that this was most likely going to be a historically inaccurate leftist propaganda film, but i was bored and thought maybe, just maybe, he made it halfway unbiased.

This was the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

No way, Hook was great.

 

LOL I bet its pretty good if you're taking (*)(*)(*)(*) about it. I'm gonna go see it tomorrow and judge for myself.

 

Bring a pillow